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Germany and France agree Ukraine may strike Russian military targets

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said Germany would not prohibit Ukrainian attacks on Russian military targets, saying Ukraine “is allowed to defend itself.”

The German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and the French President Emmanuel Macron showed their joint support for Ukraine during a Franco-German defence and security council in Meseberg on Tuesday.

Whilst Chancellor Scholz had previously been firm on Ukraine not using Western weapons to strike Russian targets, he made a step in the direction of Macron, on the third and last day of the French president’s historic state visit to Germany.

Both leaders put their disagreements aside and compromised on the divisive subject of EU defence.

Kekzkrieger ,

Good, Russia is whining about this means it’s the right thing. Honestly everything should be game for Ukraine since Russia is the aggresor. They could just fuck off Ukraine and not be bothered.

As Luis C.K said, of course it’s a terrible tragedy if you go to war and get shot, but maybe if you invade another country and get shot by the guy you were just shooting at, its not that weird.

JohnDClay ,

They allowed to attack military targets in internationally recognized Russia yet? Permission to do that would really help undermine logistics and concentrations.

MxM111 ,

That’s what, I think, Russian targets mean in this context.

SlopppyEngineer ,

Kyiv should be allowed to hit military sites inside Russia but not other targets

So yes.

FlyingSquid ,
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Bad headline. What it’s talking about is whether or not Ukraine can use the weapons Germany and France gave them to do so.

They are already attacking military targets and France and Germany couldn’t do shit about it even if they wanted to, which they don’t.

Murvel ,

couldn’t do shit about it even if they wanted to

Of course they could. Halt the deliveries of weapons for one. It’s in Ukraines best interest to keep good relations with the West, something Ukraine takes very seriously.

NoIWontPickAName ,

Yet Israel can spit in our face and we still send them bombs.

Also can someone explain to me how a missile can be powerful enough to kill someone, but unable to light a fire?

unexposedhazard ,

Idk where the thing about fire came from, but yeah most explosives dont create fires. The explosions we see in movies are created by blowing up canisters of gasoline or other flammables. Explosive missiles just create a big fucking shockwave, but dont really contain anything that could burn for extended periods of time.

If there is a fire its usually from secondary things like gas pipes, electrical cables or other stuff that ignites easily.

Or ofcourse incendiary ammunition was used but dats an entirely different can of war worms.

NoIWontPickAName ,

The tent fire that Israel swears its missiles were to small to make.

I get the principle of really big boom, and understand Hollywood explosions, but where you have a large amount of energy and flammable materials, I just don’t see how something can be too weak to create a fire, when by its very nature it releases large amounts of energy.

I’ve seen other missile strikes that cause fires, so what makes this one so special that it can’t?

unexposedhazard ,

I mean a tent city like that is probably full of flammable things, so yeah the missiles probably caused the fire. It doesnt matter if it was on purpose or not, lives were taken and they dont give a fuck and that is all you really need to know imo.

NoIWontPickAName ,

Just pointing out where things don’t add up.

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rustydrd ,
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Yup. “Strike Russian targets” is not the same as “strike targets in Russia”. Huge difference.

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and the French President Emmanuel Macron showed their joint support for Ukraine during a Franco-German defence and security council in Meseberg on Tuesday.

Whilst Chancellor Scholz had previously been firm on Ukraine not using Western weapons to strike Russian targets, he made a step in the direction of Macron, on the third and last day of the French president’s historic state visit to Germany.

Russian President Vladimir Putin warned of “serious consequences” if Western countries allowed Ukraine to use their weapons to strike targets in Russia.

For his part, Emmanuel Macron sought to bury the hatchet with Berlin after the latter initiated a European anti-missile shield project, without including Paris.

While Macron supports greater European independence in defence and wants to shield the economy from ‘unfair’ Chinese and American competition, Scholz underlines the significance of transatlantic ties and trade relations with China.

The goal of the historic state visit was to show a united Franco-German front as both leaders face predicted defeats at the hands of far-right parties less than two weeks before the European elections.

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