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Journalism Professors: NYT Risks Credibility With Inaction on Oct. 7 Article

Reports have found that the claims in the paper’s “Screams Without Words” article are questionable, if not fabricated.

Dozens of tenured journalism professors at top schools across the U.S. have raised concerns that The New York Times is risking its own credibility, as well as the credibility of journalism at large, with its inaction on an article about sexual violence on October 7 that has come under scrutiny in recent months due to its reliance on questionable — and, in some cases, debunked — evidence.

The story, entitled “‘Screams Without Words’: Sexual Violence on Oct. 7,” was widely circulated after its publication in December and has been used by government officials and Zionist groups to supposedly justify Israel’s genocidal brutality against Palestinians in Gaza.

FlowVoid ,

Believe women.

Amit Soussana, an Israeli lawyer, was abducted from her home on Oct. 7, beaten and dragged into Gaza by at least 10 men, some armed. Several days into her captivity, she said, her guard began asking about her sex life.

Around Oct. 24, the guard, who called himself Muhammad, attacked her, she said. Early that morning, she said, Muhammad unlocked her chain and left her in the bathroom. After she undressed and began washing herself in the bathtub, Muhammad returned and stood in the doorway, holding a pistol.

He dragged her at gunpoint back to the child’s bedroom, a room covered in images of the cartoon character SpongeBob SquarePants, she recalled. “Then he, with the gun pointed at me, forced me to commit a sexual act on him,” Ms. Soussana said.

TheUncannyObserver ,

Oooooh. Antisemitism AND misogyny. This is great, I was looking for another charge to heap on people who criticize Israel, and there are definitely some women who live there, so it stands to reason that being pro-Palestinian means you hate women too.

FlowVoid , (edited )

There are plenty of reasons to criticize Israel, but sweeping rape under the rug doesn’t make the case against Israel stronger.

You can oppose both Israel and rape.

TheUncannyObserver ,

What rape? You posted a link to the same newspaper that, literally in this same thread, has been objectively shown to have lied about rape, and refused to print a retraction despite knowing the allegations were false. At the very absolute best, her accusations are highly suspect for that reason, but seeing as it’s the NYT, I’m not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they are anything more than Israeli propaganda. Especially when your sole argument as to why I should is an appeal to emotion over this person’s gender identity.

FlowVoid ,

The rape that Amit Soussana described in an interview.

Do you think she is lying?

TheUncannyObserver ,

How do I know she even exists? After so many times crying wolf, I can’t believe anything about Israel that isn’t witnessed directly by someone who hasn’t lied as part of an anti-Arab propaganda piece. Show me proof this person exists, then we can go from there and work out if they have any credibility.

FlowVoid , (edited )

Amit Soussana exists

Edit to add:

Trigger warning, she recounts her sexual assault

TheUncannyObserver ,

Screams Without Silence? THAT’S LITERALLY THE STORY THE NYT FABRICATED. That shit was written by a former Israeli intelligence officer that said Gaza should be “turned into a slaughterhouse”. She said Israel should be violating all norms, and should execute all Palestinian prisoners. It’s literally a propaganda piece written by the Israeli government. It’s also the story linked in the article at the top of this thread. It’s the story The Intercept debunked. IT’S THE GODS DAMNED STORY THE NYT THEMSELVES QUESTIONED THE AUTHENTICITY OF IN LEAKED INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS. They knew before they released it that it was questionable at best, but they released it because they were fucking paid to. And here you are, gobbling it up, like a fucking idiot, believing everything you read online for no other reason than she identifies as a woman as we can’t expect a woman to lie, can we?

All you’ve done is totally solidify in my mind that this person is at best lying, and at worst not even real. I’m leaning toward the not being real.

FlowVoid ,

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    TheUncannyObserver ,

    Oh sure, hide behind religion, that’ll get you somewhere with me. Do I hate Jews? Well, I’m an anti-theist, I believe religion is the most evil thing mankind has ever created, and I hate all religions, especially Christianity. I believe all Jews are gullible idiots for believing in fairy tales, same as any religious person. And like all brainwashed religious people, they become dangerous, genocidal monsters periodically.

    But I’m not refusing to believe this person simply because they’re a Jew, I’m refusing to believe them because they’re Israeli and part of a propaganda movement by a right-wing government. I don’t need to look for an excuse to not believe them. I simply do not, and you can rage about it however you want. Call me antisemitic, call me a bad person, say I hate women or I support rape. At the end of the day, you’re only going to stress yourself out, because I’ve already decided you’re an idiot.

    FlowVoid , (edited )

    Yes, you’re anti-feminist, and you would rather enable rapists than question those who share your political aims.

    I’m not stressed, though, because I guessed it from the start. I’ve seen plenty of other men exactly like you, starting with Trump supporters.

    TheUncannyObserver ,

    Lol anti-feminist? You mean sexist? And what’s this “men like me” about? Lemme guess, you’re a chronically single middle aged white democrat, voted for Hillary, love brunch and drinking boxed wine. You have a pussy-shaped hat sitting on your shelf, call yourself an ally, and enjoy commiserating online about how trans women are ruining things for “real” women. You think George Floyd would have been fine if he had just stopped resisting, and you think protesting is only ok so long as it’s quiet and doesn’t make people uncomfortable. You think progressives are unreasonable, and believe in incrementalism and centrism. You like to Both Sides and What About in every argument. You Vote Blue, No Matter Who, and above all, you never fail to believe anything another woman says, because All Men Do Is Lie.

    You’re a little out of place here on Lemmy, don’t you think? Probably safer for your fragile mental health to closest yourself in some Facebook echo chamber, lest you lose it and start screaming in Walmart about how the dude standing six feet behind you, whom you just cut in front of is violating you.

    FlowVoid , (edited )

    Lol, you’re a terrible judge of character.

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    You come across as a believer of lies. Do better.

    FlowVoid ,

    I believe women even if it is politically inconvenient. If you can’t, then you should do better.

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    I am a woman.

    Get off your high horse and start using your brain.

    FlowVoid ,

    Anyone with a brain knows that Israeli women were raped.

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    And everyone with a brain knows (because facts) that not every story coming out of Israel - more specifically those stories backed by the IDF - are true.

    FlowVoid ,

    And not every story coming out of Gaza - more specifically those stories backed by Hamas - is true.

    Still, I believe accounts from both sides until shown actual evidence they are lying.

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Still, I believe accounts from both sides until shown actual evidence they are lying.

    But you don’t really. Because evidence was given here and you denied it.

    FlowVoid ,

    There is no actual evidence given here that Amit Soussana was lying. Just the usual anti-semitic accusations about not trusting Jews.

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Nobody said she was lying. You assumed that (ass-u-me).

    Stop letting your brain grab at straws and read the facts. You seem to be an adult so discipline your mind.

    FlowVoid , (edited )

    Nobody said she was lying.

    Someone upthread before you chimed in:

    totally solidify in my mind that this person is at best lying

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Jayzuz.

    Goodbye.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    She never claimed to have been raped. She claims she was sexually harassed.

    FlowVoid ,

    She claims she was forced at gunpoint to perform a sexual act on her captor. Which is sexual assault.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Which is not rape. Also her claim was she was groped last time I heard it did she change it?

    FlowVoid ,

    Sexual assault is commonly known as rape.

    In the interview, she said she was groped before she was raped.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Where in the NYT article did your quote get mentioned can you show it?

    FlowVoid ,

    Source link is before the quote.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Strange that is not the New York Times article.

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