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Chickenstalker ,

It’s futile. Israel lost the PR war. They took the bait and Hamas ran with it.

Pohl ,

It’s pretty frustrating to see how the Ruso/Iranian axis was able to apply violence in exactly the right way to get exactly what they wanted. Everyone would play their part.

NATO weakened by disagreement about support for Israel. Western left angry and disengaged, leading to right wing (Russia friendly) parties succeeding in elections. Decreased focus on Ukraine.

All it cost was thousands of other people’s lives!

Israel was not the only party being baited and were not the only ones who got hooked.

Aceticon , (edited )

All it would’ve taken is for nations like the US, UK, Germany and to a lesser extent France to act in the Israel-Palestine conflict in the same principled way they claimed and seemed to have acted in the Russia-Ukraine one.

They didn’t: they criticised Hamas and supported Israel when the latter was a victim of a terrorist attack by the former, which does follow the principle, but then did not turn against Israel when they started victimizing Palestenians (not Hamas, Palestinians) by the thousands.

It turns out the power elites in those nations are not against Fascists murdering civilians, they’re only against non-allied Fascists (such as Russia) murdering civilians but are fine is allied Fascists do it, in other words: their choices are and (one can reasonable deduce) always have been driven by geopolitics, not principle.

It’s was only the profound hypocrisy of some self-proclaimed “world leaders” that made this situation yield broader dividends to the Russo/Iranian axis and it’s only their persistence in putting geopolitical support for Israel above a principled reaction to what is now outright Genocide by the latter, than keeps on yielding dividends to said axis, both within the Western public opinion and in most of the rest of the World.

(It’s actually funny how this has made it glaringly obvious that even though Fascism was kicked out of Germany, it doesn’t seem to have left the hearts of the German power elites, who are at the moment happilly supporting a quite extreme application of the most racist of Fascisms - the full-on German-style massacring of those deemed to be less that human by the Fascists - whilst deploying the kind of propaganda that comes straight out of Himmler’s Book Of Tricks against their own population. Guess the lesson they learned wasn’t that violent Racism is bad, but rather than violent racism against a specific ethnic group is bad, but it’s fine against other groups).

livus ,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

The website does not appear to be linked to Hamas

Buying a domain = "hacking" now?

Putting incitement to genocide online is a heinous thing to do even if you're making it about genociding your own ethnic group.

K1nsey6 ,
@K1nsey6@lemmy.world avatar

Israel didnt hijack that URL, they created it, and its hosted on wix.com, an Israeli company. And the site is FULL of malware.

sebinspace ,

Let’s not forget that the IDF also hosts Unit 8200, where some of the world’s most insanely adept tech nerds are practically bred like Spartans…

friend_of_satan , (edited )

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    KoboldCoterie ,
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    Nobody really has the moral high ground here. You can argue that what they’re doing is necessary or justified but I think you’d be hard pressed to argue that it’s right or moral.

    Aceticon ,

    The only “high-ground” in this are the piles of bones on top of which both sides are, and whilst Israel definitelly has a bigger pile (though given the much larger proportion of child corpses in their bone pile, it’s probably not as tall as one would expect), had Hamas had the same means and “unwavering support” from the likes of Germany, the UK and the US as Israel it too would have a much higher pile.

    Also as others have pointed out, it’s an IDF site, not a Hamas site, as it’s an israeli company that owns the “hamas.com” domain name, so if it’s a statement from anybody, it’s from IDF.

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