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simplejack OP ,
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Rest of the show: youtu.be/wznD7uCEcLk

WanderingVentra , (edited )

I’m kind of scared to watch this. I like Jon Stewart and don’t want to have my image of him ruined by possible bad takes lol. Anyone knows how he does during this segment?

EDIT : I watched it and it’s not bad. Feels like old Jon Stewart, he hasn’t lost a step.

growsomethinggood ,

I’d say it’s perfectly watchable and low in the bad takes department, at the result of kind of just stating the obvious (ceasefire now). A couple of things my leftist heart disagreed with, but generally in the “which solution is actually the most viable” sense and not the “we disagree about if 30,000+ people deserve to live” sense.

WanderingVentra ,

Glad to hear it! So kind of similar to Jon Oliver’s segment on the topic, which I thought was pretty good?

growsomethinggood ,

I didn’t get a chance to watch Jon Oliver’s but I would assume so! I wouldn’t be afraid to watch this one at least, nothing really surprising in it.

Gbagginsthe3rd ,

Not sure your concerns. I think its a great take on the situation. If anyone is offended by it then they hold strong beliefs and a weak/ inflexible mindset

okamiueru , (edited )

The concerns are likely just the observed disconnect between their perception of reality and that of others (though more precisely their perception of others’ perception). It can be a rough realization, and given that this disconnect is pervasive in the US regarding Israel/Palestine, it stand to reason to be a little bit concerned of how, even Jon Stewart, might seem to perceive that reality.

I’m also only writing this in an attempt at clarifying what the underlying concern might be. With good intentions. I have not seen the clip, so it’s not related to anything specific there. Also, I hope it explains why this doesn’t have anything to do with being offended or having an inflexible mindset.

Some minds are simply critical of everything. Even their own thought processes, and impose the same requirements as they would on others. This leads to a much higher certainty in that they perceive correctly. If it wasn’t, challenging it would be welcomed. Views tend to be highly correlated with the views of others who are similarly critical. It might look like a bubble reaffirming each other’s ignorance, because those very much exist. This mindset is antithetical to that. There is no desire to reaffirm anything, only present arguments to re-evaluate. Yet, it often happens that someone you thought had the same critical mindset, reveal small, but exceedingly deep, holes in that understanding. It comes of as hypocritical to that mentality. This is the rough realization I’m referring to. It doesn’t offend. It isn’t because of a inflexible mindset. It simply disappoints.

Hope that helps. Hope it doesn’t offend ;)

Ps: this mindset is also self aware of how arrogant it seems. Ignorance truly is bliss.

WanderingVentra ,

Perfectly explained =)

Gbagginsthe3rd ,

Comprehensive answer and well explained. You have thought about this at a deeper level and appreciate your viewpoint

cali_ash ,

like Jon Stewart and don’t want to have my image of fun ruined by possible bad takes lol.

Yeah, always be careful to not accidentally expose yourself to critical thinking.

WanderingVentra ,

It’s more the opposite. A lot of people I respected turned out to be vastly ignorant about the history of the conflict and the plight of the Palestinians. And no shade, the same was true for me up until this recent one, but then we’re pretty much kept permanently in the dark with only one side of the story here in the US. Still, you can’t in-learn it and now I recognize the ignorant tropes of the conflict for what they are.

aleph , (edited )
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I think he did a pretty good job of walking the tightrope between levity/seriousness about Gaza for what is after all a light current affairs show.

I actually think the follow up discussion with an American journalist representing each faction was more impressive, and contained a decent amount of nuance regarding the practicalities of how the region might find its way out of this mess.

P1r4nha ,

It’s not a revolutionary take. It’s “easy” to make fun of extremist right-wingers in Israel, Hamas as an extremist group and the do-nothing West just watching on. If you know Stewart’s opinion on the conflict, then this segment isn’t a surprise either.

Hyperreality ,

It's a relatively nuanced take, even if I don't agree with everything he says.

Of course, if you've become radicalised, you might think he's a Zionist shill or making excuses for Hamas.

Hoomod ,

There was a disclaimer at the start of the show that covered that bit. I thought it was clever

crashoverride ,

But if you know Jon Stewart, he doesn’t really have bad. Takes on just about anything

SpaceNoodle ,

Except Chicago-style pizza.

bungleofjoy ,

It’s a pie

SpaceNoodle ,

Yes, because it’s pizza

faceula ,

I respectfully disagree, it has no lid.

ItsAFake ,

Where’s the cheese

SpaceNoodle ,

The pizza

JoeBigelow ,
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He’s dead right about that

bionicjoey ,

It’s just tomato sauce casserole

WanderingVentra ,

Lol you really started something

SpaceNoodle ,

I take pizza very seriously

And Chicago makes seriously good pizza

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