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Strange New Worlds continues to rank in the Nielsen US streaming top ten

This is good news for assuring that SNW’s 3rd season production will move ahead after the strike.

Greenlighting a couple of extra episodes and a 4th season would make strategic sense, but I’m just not willing to give Paramount the benefit of the doubt on that.

StillPaisleyCat OP ,
@StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website avatar

Already have. Watched half the first season, then noped out of it.

Netflix shows get a lot of high audience ratings because they are dropped all at once or in half-season blocks. They are counting on binge watch behaviour. This can be misleading against weekly releases. Basically, it means Netflix shows will almost always dominate on a weekly count of minutes watched.

Nielsen isn’t giving total minutes watched per show per year stats, but those who buy the full data or have other metrics are looking at that instead.

A few Netflix shows, like Stranger Things, stay on top even after the equivalent time of a weekly release, but most don’t. This means Netflix has to be dropping new content constantly and has driven the content arms-race on streamers.

However, there’s accumulating evidence that weekly drops hold subscribers better. This is why HBO Max, Disney and Paramount stick with that. When their shows can break in a weekly count against the latest Netflix drops, they’re doing incredibly well.

TWeaK ,

I wish people wouldn’t watch The Witcher. We need to vote with our feet on that one.

scarabic ,

So… the fans actually represent the market? Who coulda guessed???

skellener ,
@skellener@kbin.social avatar

I hope Paramount doesn’t go and fuck it up now. Just sign the damn contracts so everyone can get back to work making more Star Trek!✊

startrekexplained ,

But no, Star Trek is failing! Or so says a bunch of Youtubers lol

Trekman10 ,
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Hopefully this keeps it going! Haven’t been feeling optimistic about Trek lately w/ Prodigy getting un-confirmed and DIS cancelled.

MisterD ,

I remember reading somewhere that Paramount was only going to make Star Trek shows with 3 seasons each. Stupid, stupid, Stupid!

ISometimesAdmin ,
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I'd rather have tightly-written shows with 3 seasons than meandering shows that don't know how/where they're going to end with producers who are incompetent at steering things (cough Kurtzman & DIS)

MajorHavoc ,

Agreed. But seasons 6 and 7 of many shows are their peak.

skellener ,
@skellener@kbin.social avatar

Season five for Lower Decks was announced a long time ago.

CCatMan ,

All systems stable?

vithigar ,

All systems stable!

goldfishmotorcycle ,

But whyyy are we singggging?

downpunxx ,
@downpunxx@kbin.social avatar

everybody loves strange new worlds, you wanna know why, because it's freaking star trek, that's why. we're simple folk, we've got simple needs

holycrap ,

I really hope this influences future star trek shows.

Facebones ,

Agreed. I tried either the last mainline or the one before it and it just didn’t do anything for me.

SNW, IMO, is mutha fuckin Star Trek.

Taleya ,

SNW remembered that 1) trek is hope and 2) Trek is fucking insane

Facebones ,

Yeah I enjoyed Picard even as somebody who hates Two Tone Dramatic Drama™, but #1 had always been what drew me to Trek.

That we COULD be better, and we SHOULD be better.

Taleya , (edited )

It’s also why so many people latched onto The Orville.

People like to say that TOS was a product of its time, but thematically it reached for the absolute stratosphere. DIS just basically played our own paranoid dysfunction in a new setting. Hell, chunks of it felt like 24 in spaaaace

Facebones ,

The Orville geeks me out, because all the ads play it up as “FAMILY GUYYYYYYY IINNNNN SPPPAACCCEEEE” and I whole heartedly believe that’s how he pitched it to make it happen -

And then it was one big bait n switch, “HAHA actually I’m just a nerd and wanted to make a good scifi show suck it Fox!”

Taleya , (edited )

That’s actually how he did it. That’s why the first couple eps are kinda meh, then BOOM if the stars should appear, pria, krill, what the fuck just happened???

Facebones ,

One does not simply tell Seth MacFarlane no. 😂

Taleya ,

Ah but to hear the angry troglodytes easily brigaded Internet rankings prove no one likes trek because incoherent baboon noises

Facebones ,

“Star Trek says it’s bad to kill everybody more than 5% different than me

Fucking woke bullshit”

Taleya ,

Got goddamn women in command and some of them aren’t white!!!

TheDarkKnight ,

Fr, I’m not a trekkie but now I’m a trekkie lol.

MajorHavoc ,

I imagine it probably helps that the Paramount app has permission to know seemingly everything happening on viewers phones. Might help tune the scripts or something. As assume that’s what the 14 required permissions are for.

ISometimesAdmin ,
@ISometimesAdmin@the.coolest.zone avatar

The pirates in the room are all laughing rn

MajorHavoc ,

Aye!

zac ,

Yes but are they doing anything for the streaming numbers that help for renewal?

StillPaisleyCat OP ,
@StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website avatar

It’s already renewed, preproduction on season three is complete. Production for SNW was supposed to start May 2nd in the Greater Toronto Area, but was postponed due to the imminent strike. Discovery got that week to do some extra shooting to make its 5th season finale into a series finale.

kickstink ,
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@ISometimesAdmin @StillPaisleyCat @MajorHavoc can anyone suggest the best place to buy both SNW seasons, in terms of showing support for the show, even though I’ll prolly never watch where I buy?

I hardly watch any TV & normally pirate anything I watch (don’t want to plug into a streaming service for one show). I definitely want to pay for SNW though, it’s wrong that I love it so much and don’t at least give “the machine” that tiny bit of feedback.

ISometimesAdmin ,
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It seems to be available for sale on Amazon Video, Apple TV, Google TV, the Microsoft Store, and Vudu (source: https://watch.plex.tv/show/star-trek-strange-new-worlds)

Azzu ,

Can anyone tell me if this series is more akin to “classic” Star Trek or still a “new” series, i.e. more focused on action and less on moral dilemma or politics?

ijeff ,
@ijeff@lemdro.id avatar

It has more of a classic feel.

Uranium3006 ,
@Uranium3006@kbin.social avatar

it's just like TNG and TOS but with literally no episodes that aren't straight bangers. I've seen the whole first season and some of the second and it's a hard choice between this and DS9 as best trek ever. watch the first episode and see what you think. you'll like it

gravitas_deficiency ,

Also S1E4 imo deserves to be on the list of Best Space Combat Sequences of All Time

Uranium3006 ,
@Uranium3006@kbin.social avatar

oh yeah that was intense.

startrekexplained ,

That was a good one

startrekexplained ,

Only a few episodes to me were “straight bangers” and it has perhaps the worst episode ever in Trek history.

pelayo ,
@pelayo@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Sure? i mean, this is the franchise that has Sub Rosa and Threshold.

Uranium3006 ,
@Uranium3006@kbin.social avatar

Notbto.mention code of honor

startrekexplained ,

They weren’t as annoying as the musical nightmare

Artemis ,

SNW is a complete return to the original Star Trek style. The first season is good but the second is GREAT.

TerminalEncounter ,

Yeah it’s way closer to TOS than TNG, which is fine by me! They haven’t gone to that well in a while

hallettj ,
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What frustrates me most about “new Trek” is that the characters don’t drive the story. Instead they have constant action, artificial tension, and over-the-top stakes. I love the characters on Discovery, but they’re not allowed to exist as themselves. OTOH SNW is primarily character-driven, as good Trek always has been.

TWeaK ,

What annoys me is that all too often the drama is created by characters being a bit shitty to one another. These parts are where I feel it doesn’t quite meet the true Gene Roddenbury version of Star Trek, where the characters all try to be good and yet face difficult situations where there isn’t really a good answer. It’s nowhere near as bad as Discovery and others, but it doesn’t quite reach that TNG level, in this regard.

r2vq ,
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It’s mostly episodic like the original series and 90s Trek but it has some season long story arcs. But it’s modern in its style of telling. It’s funny without resorting to being MCU quippy. And the science is closer to modern science fiction rather than TOS’ parallel worlds pattern.

That said, it has a mix of action and moral dilemma and politics. There are “needs of the many” stories that don’t have clear right or wrong, the psychological impact from the horrors of war stories, even a courtroom episode that rivaled the best ones from TOS and TNG. But there are also flashy fan servicey episodes that are just fun.

I suggest giving the first episode a go. It sets the mood for the rest of the first two seasons. Each episode brings something different, but I think the first episode really speaks to what the series is trying to be.

USSEthernet ,

This is what I missed in television. I missed the episodic shows.

StillPaisleyCat OP ,
@StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website avatar

How about watching it and judging it for yourself? YMMV.

It’s not a 90s Trek show, in that it leans more to recapturing a TOS vibe. But it’s its own thing, and that’s where it’s strengths lie.

There are a great variety and range of styles of episodes, which it can do simply because it is episodic. Most of all though, it is driven by character arcs and character development.

UESPA_Sputnik ,
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I’ve been a Star Trek fan since I was in primary school, back when TNG originally aired. (my favourite is DS9) I love Strange New Worlds. It has reignited my love for Star Trek, even more than Lower Decks already did.

And I can’t say this often enough: I have a friend who grew up with TOS when that originally aired. And he never really liked any Star Trek that was produced after 1969. But he too loves Strange New Worlds. It’s a great amalgam of TOS (by being episodic and not taking everything too seriously), 90s Trek (by tackling important societal issues here and there, and being really serious when it needs to), and modern Trek (the production quality and the storytelling).

Also, the entire cast is super talented. Personally, I’d say that Christina Chong is the breakout star because she’s always giving everything, even if she’s just there for a quick reaction shot. But it’s hard to pick because they are all so good.

The only thing that bugs me is that they barely have the time to do something with all of their characters (with only 10 episodes per season) but keep adding new characters to the ensemble.

tl;dr - yeah, it’s a great classic Star Trek show mixed with modern elements

Blackdoomax ,

Ok, i didn’t really enjoyed anything after DS9, but you sold me this one. I will give it a go :) Thanks.

hesusingthespiritbomb ,

So it’s basically a tale of two seasons.

Season 1, IMO, has the same flaws as discovery with more coherent writing. The plot jumps from point to point, the characters are underdeveloped, etc. It doesn’t have any “this is not only extremely stupid but feels like the writers didn’t actually bother watching star trek” moments, but it still isn’t good.

Season 2 feels like a true modern tale on Trek. They manage to truly respect the old lore while bringing in new moral dilemmas. The characters are more developed and taken in interesting directions. They managed to sneak in a line that gives a decent explanation as to why things don’t 100 percent match up in canon. There’s also one episode that I would put up there as an all time great across every series.

So I would say slog through Season 1 for the joy of watching Season 2

EnsignRedshirt ,

Give us full 20+ episode seasons, cowards! I want bottle episodes, slice of life stories, maybe a few two-parters here and there. Star Trek was born as an episodic network tv show meant to run from fall to summer. Let it breathe.

StillPaisleyCat OP ,
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I’m not looking for 20, but 12-15 as Discovery was granted seems reasonable if only to catch up.

I wouldn’t whinge if they divided the season into 2 parts as they do on Netflix in order to allow for postproduction.

dutchkimble ,

Yes this is my biggest gripe, we need 26 episode seasons and ideally 8 or 9 seasons atleast

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