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Anyone else out there who actually really loved Discovery's S1 style of Klingons?

I am the kind of person who enjoys “big weird” scifi like Stanisław Lem. Stories about trying to relate to and find common ground with something so alien that the prospect of even understanding is basically hopeless. Star Trek usually doesn’t do stories that, which makes sense as it often uses alien races as allegories or stand-ins for real-world human relations.

That said- I thought those early Klingons were super weird and scary because they were just so alien. It really made sense thinking about how it took a century before they could get to the events of Star Trek VI, and it made the Khittomer accords feel like so much more of an accomplishment. Like- you made a treaty with WHAT?

And just aesthetically their ships and armor looked like something out of HP Lovecraft or HR Geiger:

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This is not to say I dislike how Klingons were portrayed previously, kinda like Mongols in TOS or Vikings in DS9, just that they never felt scary to me. They never felt like warriors. I was never afraid for the gallant crew of the Enterprise D (a science and exploration vessel) going into battle against Klingons. But I really enjoyed the alien-ness Disco tried to go with. Anyone else with me?

EDIT: PEOPLE I SAID WHO’S WITH ME NOT WHO ISN’T CM’ON Annoyed

passinglurker ,

I’m not really a fan of “it only looks overdesigned cause its supposed to be alien to you!” That they did with early Disco klingons and have done so far with SNW’s Gorn. That line of thinking works for one off antagonists like V’ger, but these aliens are effectively supposed to be recurring characters and and making them and thier ships big balls of (sometimes asymmetric) noise means they all just start looking uniformly chaotic on top of being hard to replicate and recognize outside watching the show.

felixxx999 ,

I don’t mind that they tried. And tried to link them with TOS and later Klingons. I just thought the makeup was too heavy. You never really got any memorable Klingon character faces. And I’m just taking about their faces. I enjoyed their costumes and ships.

Shisma ,

I like the idea of klingons being very diverse.

T156 ,

I rather liked it, and the more alien take on them, but I can also see why people didn’t.

Part of the issue is probably that Discovery changed them too much. Previous alterations to the Klingons tended to be one thing at a time, except for the TOS films, but even they kept some things the same, like their technology.

Discovery went with a bit more of a complete overhaul, with massive changes to the language (following the pronunciation guide more closely), and alterations for both their technology, and the Klingons themselves, which might have been a bit jarring for most, especially when people were expecting more of a settled look for the TNG/TMP Klingons.

You do have the visual changes for the Klingon Empire in the Kelvin films, but that gets excused as it being part of another timeline, hence all the differences.

Things like the Klingon cleave ship, and the T’Kuvma are massive changes from what people are used to when it comes to Klingons. Klingon technology previously tended to be birds of prey that cloaked and shot energy bullets/torpedoes, not cloaked ship-breakers that used ramming speed as their main vector of attack, and Klingon supremacists didn’t really exist like that. The closest we had to something like that was Worf, who was much closer to a Klingon purist/fanatic than a supremacist.

Although I personally feel that there was a missed opportunity not interspersing things with the various other Klingon designs of the time. Having a supremacist faction within the Klingon Empire, with massive visual changes (maybe due to overcompensating for Enterprise’s Augment Virus?), could have been an interesting way to add depth to the Klingons, and the Empire.

Especially if that diversity of thinking between the Houses is/was one of the strengths of the Empire. Each House was more like a separate power, and they simply collaborated under the banner of the Empire.

emr ,
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Did it look cool? Yeah it looked awesome. But was it ever going to be sustainable, budget-wise?

dontcarebear ,

I like the fact that CGI and makeup makes aliens look more like aliens. New Klingons looked better to me.

Ori ,
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I feel like it was too much. It 💯 fits Klingon style, but they're almost too foreign.

Taleya ,

I love the design and aesthetic…just not as klingons. Shoulda been an awesome new race of their own

InverseParallax ,

I am with you, say what you like, these klingons were at least interesting.

That feeling died down for me over the season, when they became just another warlike race.

The whole arc got muddled, what they did to Tyler was really what broke it, it’s like they just wanted to stab you with a drama blade and twist, which was totally unnecessary.

Corgana OP ,
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Agreed. I have a lot of issues with Disco seasons 1-3 (I really liked 4 actually) but the Klingons weren’t one of 'em.

InverseParallax ,

I liked 1, mainly because of captain evil who was fun. The spore network thing was stupid, klingons started cool then went more silly.

2 was great where it was S0 SNW, but that wasn’t everywhere. The red angel was… I don’t know, OK but also contrived?

3 was better than it got credit for, till the last episode which infuriated me that discovery was larger inside than the largest starship ever.

4 was fine I think? Trying to remember, I was checked out by then honestly.

None of it compares to snw though, they really nailed it there. Anson mount seems to hold it all together effortlessly.

SeeJayEmm ,
@SeeJayEmm@lemmy.procrastinati.org avatar

till the last episode which infuriated me that discovery was larger inside than the largest starship ever.

I yelled at the screen. That was just stupid.

InverseParallax ,

No, but literally, what else can you do?!?!

We have this obviously cramped ass ship.

I know, we’ll cgi it so people understand there are actually massive spaces in between all the living areas people just don’t see!

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