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JusticeForPorygon ,
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Love shit like this because Trump would without a doubt continue supporting Israel. The only thing that would change is the US would stop pushing for a ceasefire

Cowbee ,
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The US isn’t materially pushing for a ceasefire anyways, they are continuing to supply the genocide. The genocide isn’t because of morals, as though pointing it out to the ruling class will make them swap. The genocide is because of economic reasons.

The US supports Israel unconditionally because it serves as the equivalent of an aircraft carrier in the Middle East. It solidifies the Petro-Dollar as the World Currency, which is a huge source of Imperialist profits through finanical dominance and foreign loans.

Biden’s (and by extension Kamala’s) “ceasefire” is a game of optics, they will do nothing to address the root cause and everything to try to get people to hush up about the genocide because the US needs a dangerous and belligerant Israel to keep other countries at bay.

Carrolade ,

This is such a tired old line based on the aircraft carrier rhetoric from the 60s, outdated since the Iraq wars and our own airbases going up all over the region.

Also the idea that Saudi Arabia trades in dollars because otherwise Israel would attack them fails to take into account that much of the rest of the world uses them too, since people like a stable currency that everyone else already likes.

You guys really need to update your rhetoric.

Linkerbaan OP ,
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https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c1e3fb82-5074-4d97-bb25-49adab039bac.png

pocketman_stuck ,

Lol Brazil sent a great ceasefire proposal and all countries agreed except the USA vetoed.

drdiddlybadger ,
@drdiddlybadger@pawb.social avatar

Trump even stated he wantsd to accelerate it. Which was a major strategic mistake on his part he could’ve just shut tf up about it or lied about forcing a ceasefire but he can’t think ahead at all.

Cowbee , (edited )
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How is he going to accelerate it? Buy bombs with his personal account and ship it via DHL?

Neither candidate is anti-genocide, both are pro-genocide.

drdiddlybadger ,
@drdiddlybadger@pawb.social avatar

By providing more weapons, removing all pretext of even a symbalance of a spine, putting our troops on the ground in neighboring nations to expand the fuckery. This can get much much much worse and I don’t know why people ignore it. Trump will lead to greater horrors that’s the whole reason we are pissed because we don’t have real options right now.

Cowbee , (edited )
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By providing more weapons

How? On his personal card? Congress jointly makes and approves the shipments.

removing all pretext of even a symbalance of a spine

Vibing? Does he have fascist magic that empowers the bombs congress sends?

putting our troops on the ground in neighboring nations to expand the fuckery

Do you think under conditions that would allow him to be able to do this, that Kamala wouldn’t also do so?

This can get much much much worse and I don’t know why people ignore it. Trump will lead to greater horrors that’s the whole reason we are pissed because we don’t have real options right now.

You’re putting your fear of Trump ahead of your material analysis of the genocide, why it’s happening, and why America will always support it as long as the genocidal US Empire remains.

JusticeForPorygon ,
@JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world avatar

I’m confused.

Congress would have to approve the weapons regardless of who becomes president. Both of the candidates are going to continue to provide weapons, so what’s your point?

And depending on how the Senate/house elections go this year, Trump could absolutely have the power to increase the amount of weapons going in. Especially if they decided to cut supplies for Ukraine.

Nobody is “putting their fear of Trump before analysis of genocide.” We are taking the statements made by both candidates, putting them into the context of the situation, and making a decision based on the possible outcomes.

Like dude if you wanna vote for Trump just fuckin say so. If you live in a ranked choice state, then that’s great, take advantage of that. Most of us however don’t have that luxury.

Cowbee ,
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The house and senate aren’t split on genocide, they are on the same side. It doesn’t matter which candidate wins for Palestine. You’re ignoring the material basis and pretending the DNC opposes genocide.

No, I don’t want to vote for Trump, fuck Trump.

JusticeForPorygon ,
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I’m not pretending the DNC opposes genocide. I’m stating the DNC opposes Trump, and probably wouldn’t vote for a bill that cuts Ukraine aid in favor of sending it to Israel.

Cowbee ,
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I think that’s unlikely to happen, most bills aren’t evenly split.

drdiddlybadger ,
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We have stock piles that we can grant to other nations without congressional approval. We use these to keep supplying Ukraine when Republicans act cute. It just sounds as a reallocation of assets. Trump would do this in a heartbeat. His own son has bragged about stealing Palestinian land.

Harris absolutely would not put American boots on the ground to fuck with Israel’s neighbors because Israel isn’t worth it in the slightest. But what Israel does have is a AIPAC and the current political situation means that if a shit ton of money and political favors and compromot gets turned against Harris the moment she or Biden piss Netanyahu off enough, ruining the presidential election but also down ballot campaigns.

I understand genocide quite well. If there is justice America will face a great many consequences and Israel will as well. But the key issue right now is Trump will win if Kamala does not. And Trump will do more than make the genocide worse he will make this country worse than before in ways that will cost lives here and abroad. That isn’t saying Harris is perfect, it’s saying Trump is worse. And I know that sucks ass. It does. But it’s been sucking ass and it won’t be fixed until we have a real national left party or otherwise that has an actual edge in a national election.

At least other nations have more balls and I’m hoping international pressure starts to weigh on the US as well. But Trump is famously manipulatable by dictators, love Netanyahu etc all the coming sucking memes. I don’t think for a moment that Trump would yield to and international pressure in a positive way. Ignoring all the domestic garbage and christofascist apocalyptic bullshit.

TLDR fuck man shit sucks

Cowbee ,
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Both parties support genocide, because Israel is a useful tool for the US Empire to maintain Hegemony over the Middle East. Both Kamala and Trump are dedicated to it.

As for Trump making America itself worse, it will get worse under Kamala regardless. As long as the US remains Imperialist and Capitalist it will remain in decay.

Ekybio ,
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You posted the same “meme” yesterday and it has not gotten any better since then

Linkerbaan OP , (edited )
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On an entirely different instance. Since so many people enjoyed it I felt compelled to share it here as well.

You sure know a lot about my posts for an account that posts so little.

DmMacniel ,
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Hey now, we are on Lemmy and not that god forsaken Reddit shit site where post counts and karma matters for some reason.

Linkerbaan OP , (edited )
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Karma is no longer a problem.

Accounts which return from their months long break to suddenly very actively support Kamala Harris and stalk my account moreso.

Ekybio ,
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Barely a day passes without you sharing some, for good reasons, heavily disliked stuff about “bOtH sIdEs” being bad.

I know a lot because you are clogging the feed…

Linkerbaan OP ,
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People dislike it when someone says Genocide is bad? Sounds like those people have issues.

undercrust ,

God what a transparently lame pro-Trump propaganda meme. Boooorrring, next!

Are any “undecided” voters actually swayed by this useless garbage?

Cowbee ,
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Ah, yes, being anti-genocide is actually pro-genocide.

undercrust ,

You can be anti-genocide and still have enough of a working brain left to recognize singling out one political party at a time on the genocide in Gaza is a disingenuous argument, cause they both suck, and that specifically targetting the Dems ignores the part that Trump would happily let his good friend Bibi turn Gaza into glass.

It’s a dumb pro-GOP propaganda meme, and people that think shit memes like this have value are dangerous because they encourage voter apathy.

Cowbee ,
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Being anti-genocide is being pro-GOP? What on Earth are you talking about?

undercrust ,

Good lord above apparently it’s too much to expect basic literacy skills from .ml users

Cowbee ,
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It’s too much to expect a consistent and logical stance from landlord.ca users

Linkerbaan OP ,
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Yet another very low activity account shows up. How coincicdental. See you next month!

Just_Pizza_Crust ,

This is the #1 reason I have a hard time considering voting for Kamala in a non-swing state. We’ve got ranked choice voting in the ballot, so I’ll definitely be voting, but idk if I’ll cast a presidential vote or not.

I don’t endorse her, so why should I vote like it?

Cowbee ,
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If you’re at the ballot, might as well toss the vote in the direction of Claudia De La Crúz, assuming you’re a Leftist and she’s on your ballot. Third party votes do force the larger parties to make concessions in the next elections, generally.

Just_Pizza_Crust ,

Yeah, she’s been on my radar and I’ve heard some pretty good ideas and beliefs espoused by her and her running mate. Building leftist movements in a deep-red state is very much a “step lightly” action though, so I have worries that any overt socialist growth here will mean more attempted attacks on pride festivals by neo-nazis, and such. Hell, even mention of “antifa” brings out the crazies to roam the streets with rifles.

Cowbee ,
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The fact of the matter is that not organizing on the Left just allows the Neo-Nazis to feel emboldened. Even in a deep red state, there are many Leftists, and rather than just remaining silent it’s better to organize for your own protection.

Just_Pizza_Crust ,

Exactly what I mean. There is zero organizing going on for PSL in this area, so it doesn’t feel nearly as important to push for a socialist vote compared to other issues, like ranked choice voting and cannabis legalization.

Cowbee ,
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But still, you’re at the ballot. May as well cast the vote, if PSL gets over 5% it gets funding.

JackbyDev ,

Are you implying Trump is opposed to it?

Cowbee ,
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More that neither are opposed to it.

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