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andrew_bidlaw ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Isn’t it liberating when a complex question is completely avoided by a universal notion of ‘USA bad’?

rand_alpha19 ,

It's like the inverse of American exceptionalism, it's so weird. Improving people's material conditions is more important than perpetuating ideology.

I genuinely think we can thrive as a species under almost any economic system as long as companies are strictly regulated. Just fucking take care of people.

Bernie_Sandals ,
@Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world avatar

It’s like the inverse of American exceptionalism,

Yes that’s definitely it. It’s people who have heard the stupid overly-patriotic American exceptionalism “America can do no wrong”, they know it’s obviously not true and so they switch to the reverse position of “America does all wrong” like it’s somehow more true.

andrew_bidlaw ,
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IMHO, the ideology comes second after Venezuela being a part of debate between the West and the likes of Putin, so even if locals themselves resist against Maduro they’d be written off as foreign forces meddling in the politics of the sovereign state (I’ve already seen foreshadowing of it in ml-threads and russian news). If, on the other hand, Ukraine or other state got taken over by anti-western forces, there would be hoops to proclaim that’s what people want or that’s for the cause of ~~anti-~~imperialism. That binary logic may covers itself in legit arguments and historical contexts, like a distorted perception of aboriginal cultures, but the foundational block is usually that, and it’s supported by a whole different stream of propaganda.

I double your last sentence. And it’s people who need and depend on doing that.

Gullible ,

Tankies and compelling cannibalism through malefic policy decisions, name a more iconic duo

Goldmage263 ,
@Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works avatar

You dive in deep wherever tankies are rooted so others are not as swayed. Ty for the micro-content over all these months.

Quill7513 ,

These morons realize Russia is influencing the outcome of this with Wagner? Like I’m not saying the US should intervene, but what’s happening in Venezuela isn’t liberation. It’s Russia maintaining their colonial holdings. The people at ground level there agitating to get rid of Maduro aren’t anti-comm, they’re anti-colonial, which is what any good communist should be. What a bunch of dumb dumb dingleberries

PugJesus OP ,

Worst part is, the only reason the fucking neoliberals are so prominent in the opposition was because Maduro removed all of his left opposition from running (jail, election bans, exile, etc). It’s one of the stupidest fucking choices imaginable if you were to think Maduro were ideologically motivated. However, as purely a power play, it’s the right move - forcing the opposition to rally around a less-popular viewpoint. It just wasn’t enough to swing the election in Maduro’s favor.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

You’re saying Wagner is in Venezuela? I know it’s in Russia’s interest for Maduro to stay in power but I haven’t heard of any Russian involvement

PugJesus OP ,

The reports aren’t firm at the moment, but they’ve been brought up on a high level, so there could be something to it

5714 ,

Why don’t they eat cake have a revolution?

goat ,

Not a single peep in any tankie sphere about Maduro talking’s re-education camps

PugJesus OP ,

Don’t worry, I am assured that they deserve it, on account of probably being reactionaries, or looking like reactionaries, or looking like they were near reactionaries.

Alternatively, Al-Jazeera is now a Westoid Imperialist Outlet™

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

In a television address on state TV on Thursday, Maduro announced the construction of two high-security prisons for detainees related to the protests. He said these would be “reeducation camps”, where prisoners would be required to participate in forced labour.

For anyone looking for the exact excerpt

BaroqueInMind ,

I think that tankie is trying to say that a revolution needs to grow organically, and no intervention will be cheap with human lives.

The rest of the world needs to adopt the US constitution 2nd Amendment rights. If everyone had guns, all dictators and authoritarians would sweat.

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