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Debian used to be so good. What happened!?

Firefox on Debian stable is so old that websites yell at you to upgrade to a newer browser. And last time I tried installing Debian testing (or was it debian unstable?), the installer shat itself trying to make the bootloader. After I got it to boot, apt refused to work because of a missing symlink to busybox. Why on earth do they even need busybox if the base install already comes with full gnu coreutils? I remember Debian as the distro that Just Wroks™, when did it all go so wrong? Is anyone else here having similar issues, or am I doing something wrong?

umbraroze ,

Debian’s Firefox is Firefox ESR, or Extended Support Release. It’s behind the bleeding edge, but gets security updates.

If you want the bleeding edge Firefox, you can add Mozilla’s own APT repository and install it. Doesn’t even conflict with Debian (firefox-esr vs firefox, it even uses a separate user profile by default). Instructions are on the Firefox download page somewhere.

Allero ,

Also, Flatpak

jbk ,

Bleeding edge? Isn’t that just called stable?

LeFantome ,

As everybody else has said, Debian is working as intended. To respond to the actual post though, Debian is working exactly as it always has.

If you think Debian used to be good, you must really love it now. It is better than ever.

Unlike in the past, the primary drawback of Debian Stable ( old package versions ) has multiple viable solutions. Other have rightly pointed out things like the Mozilla APT package and Flatpaks. Great solutions.

My favourite solution is to install Arch via Distrobox. You can then get all the stability of Debian everywhere you need it and, anytime you need additional packages or newer packages, you can install them in the Arch distrobox. Firefox is a prime candidate. You are not going to get newer packages or a greater section than via he Arch repos / AUR ( queue Nix rebuttals ).

avidamoeba ,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

Debian is as great as it’s ever been.

RedDoozer ,

Debian stable and flatpaks, I don’t see all the fuss

nexussapphire ,

Why does the installer still explode sometimes when I use it on my computers. I use it on my mother’s computer or our movie server and it works fine.

Maybe it just eats shit when it sees a btrfs partition or something. Nothing against Debian but I tried to install Debian testing weekly and it just refused to install on my system 76 laptop. After flashing arch on my USB drive to wipe the disk I just said fuck it and installed arch on my laptop again. I haven’t had any issues with arch since I’ve installed it on my desktop five years ago. If arch blows up on my laptop I’ll try Debian again.

Samsy ,

I manage over 40 Debian clients in production use. All are managed with ansible. It’s the easiest time in my sysadmin time ever.

My own systems are fedora and Debian unstable. Why? Because I test upcoming changes and features. And think how it would be if all 40 clients run on unstable or fedora, every day updates of 20-60 packages for nothing the user would care about.

Debian stable is my hero.

possiblylinux127 ,

TL;DR

You want Debian stable with either back ports or containers. On desktop flatpak is your friend. Also do not add extra repos.

Honestly there is little reason to not use flatpak for web browsers. If you want packages from Fedora or other distros you can use Distrobox with podman as the back end.

mlg ,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Kali: I have no such weakness!

trips and falls on postgres upgrade

rc__buggy , (edited )

Huh? Install testing or sid?

The Debian way is to install stable then change your sources.list to either testing or unstable.

I call shenanigans.

edit: what version was Stable using before 11Jun? 'cause it’s 115.12.0esr-1 right now.

possiblylinux127 ,

Thats not a good idea unless you do a proper upgrade (dist upgrade or similar)

It is easier to use the testing iso

rc__buggy ,

the wiki must be out of date then

Anonymo ,

You can try this:

siduction.org

Even has BTRFS setup with Snapper (or Timeshift maybe) and nala is an option.

www.theregister.com/2023/01/05/siduction_2022_1/ Overview.

muhyb ,

Ever considered LMDE? Best of both worlds if you ask me.

4grams ,
@4grams@awful.systems avatar

Someone after my own heart… Debian for my servers, lmde for my laptop, the way it was meant to be.

iopq ,

What’s why we have NixOS. The unstable channel is more stable than most other distros and when it’s not, you just roll back

onlinepersona ,

Ctrl+F “NixOS”

Anytime stability is mentioned somebody has to chirp up with NixOS. It’s the law.

Anti Commercial-AI license

Atlas48 ,
@Atlas48@ttrpg.network avatar

“I use NixOS, btw”

mariusafa ,

Debian testing is complelty okay. If you want to have the most up to date security use apt to grab sid security updates. wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting

lemmyvore ,

I mean they can still be broken, especially if you mix Sid into it.

debil ,

The fix comes to sid first. (Not counting experimental.) The right way to do it is to run mixed testing/unstable with apt-pinning so that nothing gets pulled from unstable unless spcifically requested.

That said, stable with Firefox from Mozilla’s site and Neovim built from sources and gpack’d into deb package runs perfectly fine with much less hassle.

Vilian ,

when i see a debian user i see a future fedora user

lemmy_nightmare ,
@lemmy_nightmare@sh.itjust.works avatar

When I see a Fedora user, I see a future Arch user btw

AdrianTheFrog ,
@AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

This is funny because on a laptop I had I did this exact same progression - I started on Debian, but it didn’t have the right kernel version for my audio drivers, so I switched to Fedora, but it was running slowly (probably because of gnome, it lets you choose so this was my fault) so I moved to arch (with xfce) because it has a reputation for being relatively lightweight. It worked better, but it took longer to get working with the unusual chromebook hardware.

nexussapphire ,

Man a laptop new enough to require a newer kernel but slow enough for gnome to be slow. That’s an annoying spot to be man.

AdrianTheFrog ,
@AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

It wasn’t that new (2017), it just had weird hardware which iirc only recently got supported without proprietary drivers by the new audio system.

nexussapphire ,

That makes a lot more sense. I remember living with $200 laptops for a while and that’s kinda what I was thinking initially.

Vilian ,

idk i can do everything that arch can do, with distrobox and having a immutable distro on top

iopq ,

When I see an Arch user, I see a future NixOS user FWIW

akincisor ,

I have been using unstable on desktop for at least 15 years. Every time a new stable was released that would cause a month of just staying off updates till things stabilized. Recently it’s not even had that issue.

I’ve had to pin a package or two in that time, but unstable has been rock solid otherwise. I even run it on my server.

kuneho ,
@kuneho@lemmy.world avatar

Debian was always like this.

TCB13 ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

What if you just get your browser using their own repositories or flatpak? 🌈

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