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Debian used to be so good. What happened!?

Firefox on Debian stable is so old that websites yell at you to upgrade to a newer browser. And last time I tried installing Debian testing (or was it debian unstable?), the installer shat itself trying to make the bootloader. After I got it to boot, apt refused to work because of a missing symlink to busybox. Why on earth do they even need busybox if the base install already comes with full gnu coreutils? I remember Debian as the distro that Just Wroks™, when did it all go so wrong? Is anyone else here having similar issues, or am I doing something wrong?

Petter1 ,
checksout ,

I use NixOS Unstable btw

agelord ,

It got better, that’s what happened. You’re using Firefox ESR, it’s not unsafe.

Mozilla also provides a Deb repo for Debian and its derivatives: support.mozilla.org/…/install-firefox-linux#w_ins…

SpaceCadet ,
@SpaceCadet@feddit.nl avatar

Yeah and Flatpaks also exist.

Flatpaks are probably the best generic solution for using an LTS release like Debian Stable on a desktop system. You get the best of both worlds: up to date desktop packages and a stable base.

Samsy ,

I manage over 40 Debian clients in production use. All are managed with ansible. It’s the easiest time in my sysadmin time ever.

My own systems are fedora and Debian unstable. Why? Because I test upcoming changes and features. And think how it would be if all 40 clients run on unstable or fedora, every day updates of 20-60 packages for nothing the user would care about.

Debian stable is my hero.

iopq ,

What’s why we have NixOS. The unstable channel is more stable than most other distros and when it’s not, you just roll back

onlinepersona ,

Ctrl+F “NixOS”

Anytime stability is mentioned somebody has to chirp up with NixOS. It’s the law.

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Atlas48 ,
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“I use NixOS, btw”

crispy_kilt ,

Just use the Mozilla .deb

MehBlah ,

I can’t remember the last time I installed Debian and it failed. I last installed it a month ago. Gnome takes some tweaking for me. Mostly to get that stock Ubuntu feel. Nothing extension manager can’t do.

LeFantome ,

As everybody else has said, Debian is working as intended. To respond to the actual post though, Debian is working exactly as it always has.

If you think Debian used to be good, you must really love it now. It is better than ever.

Unlike in the past, the primary drawback of Debian Stable ( old package versions ) has multiple viable solutions. Other have rightly pointed out things like the Mozilla APT package and Flatpaks. Great solutions.

My favourite solution is to install Arch via Distrobox. You can then get all the stability of Debian everywhere you need it and, anytime you need additional packages or newer packages, you can install them in the Arch distrobox. Firefox is a prime candidate. You are not going to get newer packages or a greater section than via he Arch repos / AUR ( queue Nix rebuttals ).

slacktoid ,
@slacktoid@lemmy.ml avatar

Sounds like you need to be using slackware.

mlg ,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Kali: I have no such weakness!

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