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Discussion: Is Android going in the right direction?

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With the release of Android 14, which is slowly making its way to more devices, it seems like a good time for a community discussion on the direction of Android development.

Discussion Questions:

  • What do you think about this latest release?
  • Do you think things are going in the right direction?
  • Is there anything you’d like to see prioritized in future releases?
  • Which device are you on?

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SuperSpruce ,

In my opinion, no. At least not under the reins of Google.

Android 11 added scoped storage, severely limiting file access from apps, although app developers have found ways to work with it.

Android 12 did a lot of UI redesigning, including the horrible Internet toggle and it just seemed like there is way too much whitespace.

Android 13 did something right: Made you confirm if you want notifications from apps. IDK why it took this long for such a basic feature even iOS had for forever.

Android 14… Nothing really useful, but they are limiting sideloading of old apps that tend to be super efficient on storage, memory, and CPU. It’s a defeat in the ongoing war between Google and sideloading. They also are trying to force the volume down when it’s too high for too long, even when it’s paired with a Bluetooth device at low volume, another braindead move with possibly good intentions but terrible execution.

With other OEMs (Samsung, BBK, Xiaomi, etc), they still sometimes add useful stuff, but I have a Motorola, so I don’t have much of an opinion on the extra stuff.

Google is saving their actually innovative and useful features for the Pixel line of phones. Many of these features are really software that Google arbitrarily locks to the Pixel.

And many of the Google stuff has just been getting worse and worse, they’ve been getting more and more pushy on me when I do something they don’t like (disable location, for example). Google likes the idea of trying to make Android more like iOS and restrict user freedom. This is why Android market share is declining in the US: If you want iOS, buy an iPhone.

kirk781 ,

Yesterday, I was trying to simply automate turning on/off Wifi via Tasker at a set time. Turned out Google has removed API access for this pre Android 12 only and can’t be done. If Google wants to be make an IOS clone, then it is doing very wrong, IMO.

In android 14, they still allow sideloading via stuff like F Droid or apk’s downloaded from internet? Or does the user has to confirm a prompt everytime? At the rate Google is restricting stuff, maybe some years down the line, the only way to sideload apps would be via adb.

SuperSpruce ,

They still allow sideloading through F droid and the like, as long as the app is specifically made for a newer Android version. There is a prompt to confirm (as with the Google Play Store), but this is good because it makes the user aware that they are installing an app.

henfredemars ,

I can’t decide if I agree or disagree with you, but perhaps readers and yourself would enjoy some added discussion through a shared love of Android and wanting to see Android succeed.

Scoped Storage is perhaps the best change in Android 11. This was the end of applications polluting your file system with junk that doesn’t get removed when you uninstall an app. There’s also a privacy issue with applications unintentionally exposing data to any other application that might try to access it. In my experience as a developer, you have to force developers to comply with good security policy or else it’s seen as a cost center to be avoided rather than a feature. For apps that can’t work with scope storage, Google provided an escape hatch through all files access, but they only allow applications to request to this permission in specific cases.

The Android 12 internet toggle makes me feel stupid. I understand the difference between different methods of connecting to the internet. It feels like extra taps for no reason for all but the lowest common denominator of users. Let’s strive for greatness and not sufficiency.

Android 14 sideloading restrictions are necessary from a security and privacy perspective. A lot of compatibility work goes on to enable old applications to work, and this often involves bypassing checks in the interest of not breaking things. I believe this intended to address malware in developing markets where alternate app stores are used. Even so, I don’t agree that Google should make this mandatory. A sufficiently scary warning message about potential malware would be a more reasonable first step, perhaps with a countdown timer to encourage users to actually read before bypass.

The Pixel line of phones is seeing increasing success. I understand the company focusing on products that make money. Google has a complicated relationship with vendors by being both collaborator and competitor at the same time.

lazycouchpotato ,
@lazycouchpotato@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t know what opinion to form. The openness of Android is constantly abused, but Google seems to be overcorrecting by locking it down more than iOS in certain cases and reducing choices for users to use/customize their device as they like. I can’t backup my damn Minecraft worlds without paying Microsoft $4/month for a server to act as an intermediary, or I have to download an unvetted third-party Minecraft addon. On iOS, the “walled garden”, you can use the Files app or connect to your computer and backup.

Would decoupling Android from Google help Android’s long-term future? Let some non-profit organization with different goals take over? With that said, it’ll be a big challenge for them to figure out licensing, funding, development, etc.

I’m on a Pixel 6a running Android 14. Material You has grown on me. I still dislike gesture navigation. Would love to see more lockscreen customization.

henfredemars ,

I get where Google is coming from by seizing control from vendors under threat of losing access to Play Services. I generally feel positive about those specific changes because I’m not a fan of vendor-specific implementations to solve common problems. Nearby Share, for example, is a great idea that only works if everyone’s using a compatible solution.

However, openness and customization is part of what makes Android great. The ROM community is under the SafetyNet gun where Google could pull the trigger at any moment and effectively lock out unapproved operating systems from running many applications. Google overstepping further hardly makes the news.

I’m concerned, because if you look at this problem from a vendor point of view, who else can you go to? You need a thriving ecosystem to make your phone attractive. There’s a high ceiling on the maximum pain Google could inflict before the bottom falls out.

Android is precariously positioned.

dantheclamman ,

Android these days is mixed. The app ecosystem is mature and I still have more freedom than Apple in terms of home screen, app store, browser, a real filesystem, etc. The phones are all quite capable and powerful. I can sync texts reliably across devices, use my phone’s location to trigger smart home automations, and my watch syncs effortlessly with my phone. All of these were issues for years that are now pretty much solved! Haven’t felt a need to upgrade my Note 20 Ultra yet, but might go to a foldable in the next year if the right deal pops up.

I’m disappointed about how Google has locked down some features in the name of security, like the ability for apps to access text messages. The Play Store is so enshittified. It’s been a long time since I was able to discover new apps there: these days I don’t feel secure installing apps from there and prefer to stick to F-Droid when I can.

I also am disappointed by how the Android market has consolidated so much. There was such a diversity of OEMs in the 2010s and I miss the HTC, LG, Nextbit, Essential and others which weren’t afraid to rock the boat and try new form factors. Foldables are one of the only exciting product categories. Everything else feels pretty predictable, iterative and on rails.

Longmactoppedup ,

Been using android since the first galaxy. Never have I experienced such a fuck up as when I let my pixel 7 pro update to 14. And this is from someone that used to run random custom stuff going back a few years.

Android 14 caused my phone memory to become corrupt and I had no choice but to factory reset, losing everything not synced. Apparently this was due to running two separate user profiles.

Somehow Google was too busy finding ways to get and sell more of our data and forgot to test if this basic feature fucking works.

Not looking forward to Monday when I’ll have to jump through flaming hoops to set up my work micrishaft authenticator / profile / intune crap again.

Other beef with 14, custom launchers are broken. I have never been able to stand the stock launcher, it is like babies first launcher. No customisation options and the stupid search bar can’t be removed. A few apps I use on a regular basis claim to to not be compatible, even though they ran fine for several days in 14 till the whole thing shit itself.

On the UI front I feel as if everything seems to get more bland each release with less interesting customisation than we had circa android 5.

Cort ,

Huh, I’ve had no issues with Nova launcher on my 7 pro. I honestly didn’t notice any changes after the update, aside from the lock screen clock settings

Longmactoppedup ,

I was a long term Nova user also. Have tried a few others since, none of which I liked except Neo, which appears to have issues in 14 too.

ElectricCattleman ,

Dude are you me? I literally just went through this. I used two profiles and had the memory issue. Couldn’t even take photos, the camera app said device was out of storage despite deleting most of my apps. And apps crashing all over the place.

The best part is… I’m traveling so it cost me half a day of vacation photos when I factory reset. And same as you… Will have to fix work 2FA on Monday.

What he hell were they thinking??

Evotech ,

I literally can’t tell the difference between Android 12 and 14

Bakkoda ,

I have more and more weird interface glitches. That’s it. None of them are even remotely breaking in any way. Just silly.

I’m still on a Pixel 4a so it’s def feeling slower but not nearly as bad as I had expected.

KISSmyOS ,

I’m still on Android 10 and don’t feel like I’m missing anything I need.

aluminium ,

No, Android itsself lacks the amibition to add anything meaningful. Desktop Mode, Customizable Quick Settings Toggle Area, actually useful battery stats, a more customizable battery saving mode would all be things I’d like to see but clearly aren’t a priority.

Also I really don’t like Material U. Classic Material looked way better!

henfredemars ,

Android is maturing. Big changes are becoming increasingly rare, therefore, I think Android and perhaps also hardware vendors should move to a two-year release schedule. I think it’s time to accept that annual releases are no longer necessary.

Now that we fully understand the use cases of the smartphone, I believe Android should provide an advanced mode or power user mode that extends beyond Developer Options for developers. I’d like to hand an Android phone to my grandmother in Basic Mode and know she can’t possibly mess up, but also I want to be more enabled in a Power Mode where not screwing up my device is my responsibility. I think the casual and advanced user are different beasts and should be respected separately.

Finally, I want to see mainline support for desktop mode. Android can increase demand for high-end devices and rejuvenate the premium segment if it shows that it fits new use cases to justify the money. Many users no longer own a laptop computer. Android should move now to capture this form factor.

Written from my Google Pixel 8 Pro.

uralsolo ,

2 years is still insanely short to me. I had a Nexus 6p from 2016-2020, and a Pixel 5 from 2020-present, and frankly the 6p was still pretty fast and satisfying to use when I traded it in so I can’t imagine wtf anyone needs to upgrade more frequently than that.

SnipingNinja ,

Annual releases are not for everyone, not everyone upgrades the same year. They still should consider doing away with those if they don’t have anything to add, like not even a processor upgrade but it’s not meaningless

rikonium ,

I’ve been firmly in iPhone-land quite a while and dabbled only a bit since my phone-switching days so my current perspective will be possibly dated and definitely from someone on the outside, casually following what’s new in Android but I did have a great time bouncing between platforms back in the day. (RIP webOS, BB10 and Windows Phone)

I had a Moto Z Play back in the day (that battery life but like that and the Priv it replaced, a bit big for my taste) and I ditched it when a then-critical feature to me: “Ok Google with Screen Off” was removed around the time Google Assistant and the Pixel 1 was rolling out. It was a Play Services and/or Assistant/Google Now update that removed the option from settings, I uninstalled them to keep it temporarily and when I looked it up, all I could find was a curt official “the feature is not supported” response on some support board. I knew the Snagdragon-whatever chipset it had supported it, and I was using it just fine in the past - it felt like gaslighting, I saw people throwing around the “your battery life would suffer” excuse or that it was never supported despite it being the time when chipset support for hotwords when sleeping like Hey Cortana, Hey Siri were a notable feature and the Z Play had it.

Imagine my reaction when I see that feature being advertised as a Pixel exclusive(? At least it was advertised as a Pixel feature) so that was it.

in hindsight, Google’s shenanigans to promote their own in-house projects over Android as a whole seems pretty in-character now. Even as iOS features aren’t as big like “ooo iOS’s facsimile of multitasking!” there’s still the “that’s neat” or small QoL moments coming out like auto-deleting 2FA texts when they’re used. And I just don’t seem to see any of that in recent releases. I saw “AI color themes!” and a new time layout? and I’m not shortchanging the features already there like holding volume down to mute, but it just feels like they’ve decided base Android is good enough and slowed down or stopped in favor of figuring out whatever exclusive Pixel features and what to keep from the non-Pros.

But with the move of so many things to Play Services, are features still coming out that way outside of the usual point release?

Paradox ,
@Paradox@lemdro.id avatar

Fwiw Android has had auto deleting 2fa codes in it’s messaging app for at least 2 years now

rikonium ,

Neat! Is that in AOSP, Google Messages, one of the OEMs, just an option in whatever third-party app you use?

I’m wondering if breaking major app updates outside of OS updates then means new features are less visible.

Paradox ,
@Paradox@lemdro.id avatar

Google Messages.

And yeah, I think it really has had that effect. Most people don’t know about it; I had to show my father how to set it up. They put a banner up on the app once when they introduce it, or when you first open Messages, but a ton of people just dismiss the banner and then don’t see it.

Versus apple who has a big show where they show off all the new shit they’re doing, and the press breathlessly covers it, trickling it down to the average consumer.

kromem ,

More jogging in place than going in any direction.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

i miss when android was fun tbh i don’t like material; i liked jellybean and lollypop and holo before that. i liked the deserts and robots. bring back that.

Anti_Weeb_Penguin ,

The only good things about the latest version are the custom clock feature and the easter egg.

CriticalMiss ,

This isn’t an Android issue, it’s a smartphone issue in general. We’re reaching the glass ceiling and we don’t want to admit it. With Apple releasing ridiculous features like emergency tow truck and what not you realize that there isn’t a lot of brainstorming going on at Apple HQ. Android 14 basically did uhm… nothing this release? With Google’s recent announcement that the new Pixel will have 7 years of OS updates I now understand why, it’s because previously when a new Android version came out, it almost always broke something on your phone and now that the changes are minor, there is no effect.

giloronfoo ,

I’m some ways yes, in others no.

They’ve been slowly removing power user things that once set Android apart from Apple. For example, a few versions ago, they stopped allowing apps to disable WiFi. I liked having it off when away from home.

ijeff ,
@ijeff@lemdro.id avatar

Samsung’s built-in routines function is great for automating things like wifi on/off. Can Tasker no longer do this?

evident5051 ,

The amusing thing is that iOS Shortcuts allows users to disable Wi-Fi.

ijeff ,
@ijeff@lemdro.id avatar

It’s a surprisingly capable tool. I’m still surprised we don’t have a system-level Tasker or Shortcuts tool.

Paradox ,
@Paradox@lemdro.id avatar

We do. It’s trash

https://lemdro.id/pictrs/image/e2e937dd-3e11-4cb1-8c59-df066d6bc8fc.png

henrikx ,

You can still do this without root, but the app needs to target an older SDK version, meaning you can’t install it from Google Play. And even if you get the APK, Android will only let you install it through ADB. You can run an ADB shell on-device with Shizuku, so you don’t need a computer. Still annoying they made it so difficult though.

ijeff ,
@ijeff@lemdro.id avatar

Love Shizuku. I just dislike that I need to re-enable wireless ADB every reboot.

henrikx ,

Interesting. Do you reboot your phone a lot?

Paradox ,
@Paradox@lemdro.id avatar

14 is the most underwhelming release I’ve ever used, to the point I didn’t even notice when my phone updated

danielfgom ,
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I’m running 13 and it’s been great. I do think overall that Android is going in the right direction.

Material You in particular was a great decision. I love colour this feature adds so much colour to every app. Talk about taking customisation to the next level. 😊

The lock screen customisation in 14 completes that transition.

I also think the improving Google Assistant by adding Bard is a move in the right direction. As long as they roll it out to all phones, irrespective of age. After all, Assistant runs in the cloud, not on the phone so any device should be able to just it.

I am concerned about Google but releasing enough Android features into AOSP. For example the colour picker you use to choose a colour from your wallpaper they originally kept as proprietary forcing OEM’s to write their own. Only later did they release it to AOSP because they released OEM’s weren’t getting it right.

I believe all new Android features most be in AOSP. Only Google specific stuff shouldn’t eg Google apps and gcam.

I have to assume that the Pixel 8 getting 7 years of support means that Android won’t be getting heavier in future, so that it will remain fast 7 years from now.

Which is good news. Android 14 is supposed to be even faster and more efficient they say, but we’ll see. There are still some bugs from what I’ve read so OEM’s will need time to adapt and optimise it. It will be a few months before we really know.

JackGreenEarth ,

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    FooBarrington ,

    AOSP is the Android Open Source Project

    JackGreenEarth ,

    I deleted my comment, forgot I said anything stupid.

    FooBarrington ,

    Never!

    avidamoeba ,
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    Android has hardly been getting heavier. Running recent Android on a 1st gen Moto E flies!

    That said, recent full-fat Android shipped by an OEM to their devices can be heavier due to the OEM shipping more system services running in the background. I don’t have numbers to supports this but the base Android OS has mostly just received performance optimizations over the years. For example the Java runtime has gone from Dalvik sans JIT, to Dalvik with JIT, to ART, to ART with major improvements, etc.

    danielfgom ,
    @danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

    I agree with you. I didn’t mean to imply it was heavy but just to say I reckon that will keep it a as light (or lighter) than it already is.

    One of Android’s many strengths is how it can both run on older hardware, “weak” cpu’s as well as run apps developed for Android 5 and higher. Ios cannot do any of those things.

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