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helenslunch ,
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Interoperability with what, exactly? Facebook and Instagram? Did the EU specify a national standard protocol?

This is potentially a huge security vulnerability, which, based on recent history, would probably make them happy.

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    9488fcea02a9 ,

    Wouldnt this kill signal? Everyone would just dump signal and use whatsapp to talk to their one weird friend (me} who insists on using signal only

    helenslunch ,
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    Quite the opposite

    9488fcea02a9 ,

    How so?

    A bunch of my friends and family only installed signal to talk to me and maybe a few other people.

    Now you tell them “you can use whatsapp to chat with these privacy nerds…”

    Instant Signal uninstall from my family…

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    …why would they do that? Are they just fond of uploading all their metadata to Zuck?

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    9488fcea02a9 ,

    Sure. I 100% agree with you… I should not and DO NOT dictate what apps other people use…

    But if 50% of the userbase uninstalls signal, you dont think this is going to be detrimental to their organization?

    helenslunch ,
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    Of course Signal would need to implement the protocol

    Yes, that’s what I’m asking. What protocol? Is the DMA requiring anyone else to use this protocol? If so, are they required to use the WhatsApp open protocol?

    This doesn’t need to include any security vulnerabilities.

    Of course there doesn’t need to be but someone has to decide which protocol to use, and if it’s up to the EU it is most likely an insecure one, considering how they tried to end encrypted chats altogether.

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    helenslunch ,
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    All of that said, in the recent Wired interview one of the WhatsApp engineering leads suggested opening and documenting the client-server API for WhatsApp rather than implementing a different protocol.

    So now they collect metadata from users of other messaging apps?

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    helenslunch ,
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    There is no way to allow external messenger access without at least some metadata.

    Yes there is. Lots of them do. Some of them don’t even have servers to collect the data in the first place.

    Even Signal allows a server to collect metadata to a small extent.

    Which is completely unnecessary and also close to zero.

    That’s not what we’re discussing.

    I’ll take “Facebook has metadata about my messages” over “WhatsApp is continuously running in the background on my phone 24/7” any day of the week.

    What is it you think it’s collecting outside of metadata?

    spiderman ,

    use Signal to chat with people who use WhatsApp

    that sounds awesome but will whatsapp collect data of the one who messages from signal too?

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