If you feel you have to exclude certain types of people because you think they might demonstrate too much empathy or compassion, then the system obviously needs more empathy and compassion.
When an individual prosecutor shits all over the Constitution’s guarantees of equality before the law, and they take efforts to conceal those actions, that is a knowingly bad act and an individual who deserves some accountability
When those actions stay covered up for over three decades because nobody in the system bothered to get a second plants at any of this, that’s a system that deserves some accountability
e; like, I personally am a big proponent of needing more empathy and compassion within our system, thought for the type of person who that argument doesn’t connect with, I think there’s a very strong “We fought a civil war and certified a constitutional amendment to deal with crap like this, don’t reopen this Pandora’s box” argument to be made
The apparent attempts to exclude Black and Jewish people from juries in homicide cases may have been based upon the belief that these groups would be less likely to convict someone if a death sentence was possible.
It’s almost as if you’re not part of cisgendered, white, Christian, male, heteronormative subsection of society, you see how inherently unjust our so-called justice system is, isn’t it?
Stop leaving out white women. They’re the least likely to be convicted and even when they are they receive the least amount of time when sentenced. They benefit just as much as white men if not more and have been active participants of the injustices of the court system for centuries. You should try asking Emmett Till about his experience with white women and the justice system.
I was referring more to the fact that a white woman was directly responsible for his murder and used a biased court system to avoid punishment
Racial bias in jury selection is a bigger problem, but gender bias is still a problem.
Which is why I think it’s disingenuous to exclude white women from your point as they are more likely to be selected for jury duty than anyone else besides a white male
So while being discriminated themselves they contribute to the overall bigger problem of racial discrimination. You don’t get a pass when you’re an active participant in making things worse regardless of whatever discrimination you face.
I’m not only telling about jury bias. I’m talking about the justice system as a whole.
Okay, but this is about jury bias, as have my posts been, so if you wanted to change the subject, you should have said so.
Because in cases with all white juries (even those with white women) they’re still more likely to convict a black defendant.
That still doesn’t mean that a bias against women, even if they are white, is not a problem. And no one was arguing in favor of all-white juries, so I’m not sure why you’re even bringing that up.
Which still doesn’t change the fact that there is a gender bias in jury selection. Bias in jury selection is always bad. Racial bias is bad, religious bias is bad, gender bias is bad. The whole point is to not have a jury of just white men. I’m not sure why that doesn’t include women to you just because they might be white.
Or are you saying white people shouldn’t be on juries at all?
No one is arguing gender bias isn’t a problem but seeing this article is mainly about racial/ethnic bias you deciding to lay the blame at the feet of only white men makes no sense considering white women are also part of the problem.
The point is to not have a jury of only WHITE PPL because statistically a jury made up of only white men and women are just as biased as a group of only white men.
It’s almost as if you’re not part of cisgendered, white, male, heteronormative subsection of society, you see how inherently unjust our so-called justice system is, isn’t it?
This isn’t solely blaming white men?
You literally distanced everyone who isn’t a white straight male from the problem presented in the article including white women even though they are a major part of the problem. While this makes sense for black Latino, Asian and lgbtq groups including white women in that list is on some bullshit
You’ve basically argued this entire time that white women are not problematic when it comes to jury bias. While im criticizing the very real problems in the justice system white women are responsible for your response is
Okay, I get it. White women are the worst people in the world and should be barred from being on juries.
have been active participants of the injustices of the court system for centuries
This much is true and it is important to talk about to keep is from repeating history’s mistakes
They benefit just as much as white men if not more
There are countless instances of sexual assault and domestic violence that cops and prosecutors have swept under rugs for decades that argue against that really strongly imo. Being victims of oppression doesn’t excuse participating and upholding oppressive systems, but if we’re going to tell the whole story let’s tell the whole story.
Well it’s that or financial aid that’s so means tested and by application only that it will end up only helping those that don’t need it like the covid relief funds…
That’s what Democrats do. They never actually solve problems. They just try to cover them up or outright ignore them.
Solving problems like this involve at least two different approaches which must be undertaken in order to achieve actual positive change – acute remediation and structural change. Newsome et. al are ignoring the latter while you choose to eschew the need for the former; you’re both wrong.
Fair. It’s really easy to armchair governor/mayor in these situations. Managing public, civic, humane, and political responses to increasing crime is something I cannot do.
That’s fair. It’s really unfortunate that political incentives are misaligned in situations like this. Arresting a lot of people now doesn’t solve anything long term, but it looks good and is good for reelection; meanwhile, actual permanent change will take programs and policies that take a decade or longer to go into effect – so all the public sees is the current guy spending money and then the results get to be claimed by the next governor or the one after that.
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