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FryHyde , to games in Kingdom Hearts is coming to Steam - June 13

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FatTony , to games in Kingdom Hearts is coming to Steam - June 13
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Uhm, yay?

rtxn , to games in Kingdom Hearts is coming to Steam - June 13

Square Enix is slowly starting to realize that locking out a significant part of its potential customers with platform exclusivity will lead to most of those potential customers not buying their shit. It’s like the first vestiges of conscious thought are starting to appear within their leadership.

Stovetop ,

I am happy it’s on Steam, but admittedly Kingdom Hearts 3 is not the main offender here when they still have games trapped on single consoles. KH3 was already on PC, it’s just more accessible now. Can’t say the same about Final Fantasy 16 or Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth. Hopefully that is what they fix next.

rtxn ,

They’re both timed exclusives, and Square have said that they’d stop platform-exclusive releases after those two games failed to meet shareholders’ expectations. Whether they’ll actually go through with it, or get saturday morning cartoon villain yen sign pupils when Sony makes their next offer, I have no idea.

steal_your_face ,
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And then after saying that they’ll probably put it on epic games store first :/

_sideffect , to games in Kingdom Hearts is coming to Steam - June 13

Nice! I already own these on Xbox, but it’s good they’re moving to other platforms

newthrowaway20 , to games in Kingdom Hearts is coming to Steam - June 13

As long as it took to get these games on steam, I’ve completely lost interest.

gazoinksboe , to games in Kingdom Hearts is coming to Steam - June 13

God yes. I could not stomach buying this on Epic

Gerudo , to games in Larian Studios has two major games in development and opens new studio in Warsaw

When all other studios are doing layoffs, this is great news.

pressanykeynow ,

all other studios are doing layoffs

That’s not true.

moon ,

Means they also have a ton of great talent to hire

bionicjoey , to games in Larian Studios has two major games in development and opens new studio in Warsaw

Why do so many games companies have offices in Poland? Is there some kind of government incentive for gamedev there? No offense to Poland, but for such an economically small country, I feel like I hear a disproportionate amount of games come from there.

Unimperfect , (edited )

CD Project (owners of GOG and creators of The Witcher) are some the most well-known devs from Poland, but this article goes into the main reasons why they are among a dozen or so more game devs where such games as Dying Light and Frostpunk have been made: www.n-ix.com/polish-software-developers/

Maalus ,

Poland is the land of good, cheap programmers. We are usually ranked 3rd or 4th on the “best programmers” indexes, behind countries like China, Russia. Foreign companies will pay you like $80k or less for a senior position and get a really skilled worker out of it.

bionicjoey ,

That’s really interesting. Do you have any insight on why Poland seemingly punches above its weight on software development? Is programming a heavy focus in public schools?

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Former Warsaw Pact countries have really strong mathematics training in primary and secondary school.

Maalus ,

Good universities that are free to attend and pass if you make it through the entry exams. The unis are setup to weed out people who can’t keep up. Historically we have a great foundation for maths and physics. We also have tech centers in the major cities and some domestic, large companies. There is plenty of jokes about them, and they have a reputation of being “the job you get right after uni”, but in the end you have a place that hires a lot of people at the same time, each year, that lets you get experience. Basically if you are a person that’ll do well programming, then you are setup for success.

lorkano ,

Yet it’s still not worth for polish programmers to move literally anywhere - cost of living ratio to the earning is so great that devs don’t even move from Poland

Maalus ,

Nah, that’s bullshit. Cost of living in Poland isn’t as low as people abroad think it is. Plenty of people emigrated to GB or Ireland before brexit. Lots of programmers are in Germany and Austria, since they pay so much more. Like, if you go abroad and you get 2x or 3x your salary, no amount of “cost of life” will outweigh that.

lorkano , (edited )

Let calculate then

Germany tax is up to 42% scalling linearly from 10k to 58 k Eur.

Polish B2B has tax of 12%.

Comparing capitals, Berlin is 28.3% more expensive than Warsaw (including rent).

Average salaries are estimated like this: 65125 EUR Germany (38358 after all taxes) 25200 EUR Poland (17207 after all taxes)

You earn 122% more in Germany.

  • Minus cost of living it’s 95% So it’s 2x more

One more thing to consider is buying apartment prices, which are 41% cheaper in Warsaw (outside of city center) and 33.5% cheaper in city center.

So Is it worth moving for some poeple? Definetely, you were right. But person from Poland probably usually will get below average earnings there. Aside from that, person earning top 20% it earnings in Poland would be still taxed 12% when in German all of this goes to 42%. So for top of a line IT specialists this difference is smaller.

Is it as bad as you paint it? No, it’s barely 2x, not close to 3x.

Is it worth moving for me? Hell no, because I work remotely from small city in Poland which is 49% cheaper than Berlin and property prices are dirt cheap.

Numbers are taken from numbeo for costs of living and property prices. Salaries average are taken from online sources, and calculation of taxes was made by online calculators taking into consideration Healthcare etc.

I took normal employment contract values for Germany, because I heard from German coworkers this is the most common and preferred by employers there.

Besides all of that, when you are already earning top 85-90% salaries in the country, it depends a lot on the person if they even need more money. Programmers in Poland can afford anything they want that is not multi-milioneere stuff like yachts or very expensive cars. So why would you leave everyone and everything and move? It makes way more sense to move for people that do not earn a lot of money to Poland.

Maalus ,

Source for the numbers - pulled straight out of one’s ass. Who cares about average salaries? We aren’t talking averages. We are talking programmers. You also cherrypick Berlin and a paragraph later talk about you living in Bumfuk Alabama. Just because you stayed, you don’t get to dictate what other people do with their lives. The “why would you leave if as a programmer you can buy a lot of things” is so out of touch it rolls over to just being funny.

lorkano ,

I’ve written sources although not links, which takes 5 brain cells to look up. Obviously I took IT earning averages per year. I compared Berlin to Warsaw which is clearly written in my response which you would know if you actually read it.

If you don’t want to put in any effort your comments are worthless, ending this conversation, bye

Maalus ,

You literally pulled data out of your ass and are trying to convince people that programmers in Poland earn 25k euro a year. Go home, you are drunk.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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Cost of living in Poland isn’t as low as people abroad think it is.

So much of “its cheap to live here” comes down to food and rent. When you’re living somewhere that charges $2000/mo for a 600ft loft and you can’t eat out for less than $20/meal, every place else feels practically free by comparison.

misk ,
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Labor is relatively cheap despite how much IT is raking in at the moment. Most developers in Poland are registered as sole proprietors which contributes to one of highest rates of self-employment in Europe (source). Tax system favors those over regular work contracts leading to regressive burden (source) and to the point we could be classified as tax haven. Also means those developers are not covered under normal labor protection.

lorkano ,

Poland right now actually have too many developers in the country - so I would expect more Companies open offices as earnings stabilized

givesomefucks , to games in Larian Studios has two major games in development and opens new studio in Warsaw

I’m so glad they haven’t sold out to a large American corporation yet.

It’s gotta be hard to turn down all that money, but large American corporations would want to buy it just to squash the competition

IWantToFuckSpez ,

Or Tencent

givesomefucks ,

Tencent wants market share, not money.

The money comes later, like how Uber used to be a good service.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Uber used to be a good service

The biggest cost Uber has is recruitment. And as the cost of vehicles has risen, the efforts they have to go through to get and keep productive drivers has climbed with it.

This is less about Uber market share than the real cost of operating an automobile between 2008 and 2024.

ampersandrew , (edited )
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

They did though. Tencent had like a 30% stake in either BG3 or the company.

EDIT: As seen here.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Tencent has the stake in the company and apparently it is non-voting stock.

UnderpantsWeevil , to games in Larian Studios has two major games in development and opens new studio in Warsaw
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

It would be very funny to go back to a 2000s era California college campus and explain to a bunch of up-and-coming game developers that the future of the industry would be located in Poland.

FiniteBanjo , to games in Larian Studios has two major games in development and opens new studio in Warsaw

I wonder if Lars Bone easter egg equivalents are hidden in their modern games and nobody has figured it out.

Nino477 , to games in Larian Studios has two major games in development and opens new studio in Warsaw

Nice Hussar logo. + cdpr is shaking right now.

lorkano ,

Why would they shake? If anything they are happy because we will get more high quality games and they support polish economy

SpacetimeMachine ,

It is competition for experienced devs, and from everything I’ve heard about working at Larian and CDPR I would MUCH rather work for Larian.

filister ,

The only reason why other game studios are opening offices in Poland is because CDPR had created and cultivated the human talent of many game Devs in the country, plus Polish workers should be a lot cheaper compared to West Europe and the US.

JadenSmith , to lemmyshitpost in The Way of the Samurai begins with mastering Adobe Flash

Hey man no spoilers, I just started Ghost of Tsushima the other day…

Kusimulkku ,

The Flash part was easy. It was the Microsoft Silverlight that had me on the ropes

Resol ,
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Shockwave will bring you to your knees.

Viking_Hippie ,

Without even welcoming me to the jungle first? That’s just rude!

Kowowow , to science_memes in Time to spin the pottery wheel

Machinists cutting very hard material

YaxPasaj , to lemmyshitpost in The Way of the Samurai begins with mastering Adobe Flash

INSTALL FLASH ONEGAISHIMASU!

x4740N ,
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As someone who is learning japanese I can appreciate this comment

lugal ,

As someone who plays shogi, I’m at least familiar with the last word but only in spoken form

aeronmelon ,

“Right you are, Ken.”

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