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mtlvmpr , to technology in Canadian judge rules the thumbs up emoji counts as a contract agreement

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corn , to technology in Canadian judge rules the thumbs up emoji counts as a contract agreement
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Sibbo , to technology in Canadian judge rules the thumbs up emoji counts as a contract agreement

So this is some lowest level local judge, right?

eroc1990 , to technology in Canadian judge rules the thumbs up emoji counts as a contract agreement

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Vree , to technology in Canadian judge rules the thumbs up emoji counts as a contract agreement
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Can’t wait for Italian judge to rule 🤌 as a contract agreement.

ZapBeebz_ , to workreform in Uber, DoorDash and Grubhub sue New York City over $18 minimum-wage law

I mean, it makes complete sense that they’re fighting this hard once you realize their business models are only remotely viable because they exploit the fuck out of their workers.

Ibaudia , to workreform in Uber, DoorDash and Grubhub sue New York City over $18 minimum-wage law
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“How are we supposed to pay slave wages if you force us to treat our employees independent contractors with a minimum level of decency? Think of the venture capital that could be lost if we don’t become profitable!”

Glad to see these companies are flailing. If you can’t afford to pay a minimum wage that keeps up with inflation then your company shouldn’t exist.

jeffw ,

They’ll just do what they did in Cali and change the NY constitution to redefine “employee”

MercuryUprising ,

So many tech companies use the independent contractor thing to get around having to pay taxes and provide benefits. It’s pretty fucking gross

JeSuisUnHombre , to workreform in Uber, DoorDash and Grubhub sue New York City over $18 minimum-wage law

Oh how I want to see this completely fail. And more importantly to see the steam coming out of their ears when it does.

Candelestine , to workreform in Uber, DoorDash and Grubhub sue New York City over $18 minimum-wage law

Yeah, fuck those companies. Though I did love back when Grubhub was constantly cranking out these ridiculous offers to lure customers in. That was kinda nice…

kostel_thecreed ,

Same with skip, I remember there being 40-60% off coupons when they first started in my city.

shiveyarbles , to news in Canadian judge rules the thumbs up emoji counts as a contract agreement

What about a middle finger, is that a no?

Thugosaurus_Rex , to news in Canadian judge rules the thumbs up emoji counts as a contract agreement

I’m a lawyer (though admittedly not in Canada!)–this doesn’t sound as absurd as the headlines read, and I would hesitate to to form opinions on any case on the basis of headlines or blurbs. That said, looking at other sources it seems there’s more here than the posted article conveys:

The judge noted that Mr. Achter and Mr. Mickleborough had had a longstanding business relationship and that, in the past, when Mr. Mr. Mickleborough had texted Mr. Achter contracts for durum wheat, Mr. Achter had responded by succinctly texting “looks good,” “ok” or “yup.”

Both parties clearly understood these terse responses were meant to be confirmation of the contract and “not a mere acknowledgment of the receipt of the contract” by Mr. Achter, wrote Justice T.J. Keene of the Court of King’s Bench for Saskatchewan. And each time, Mr. Achter had delivered the grain as contracted and had been paid.

Looks like they had a long standing business relationship where this sort of communication had been the common understood form of acceptance in the past. It’s also important to note the guy only tried backing out of the deal after a price fluctuation meant he’d be taking a relative loss.

I’d want to see all of the facts and arguments, but this seems reasonable from what we can see reported.

SenorBolsa ,
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Yup makes sense to me, very much in line with my laymans understanding of contract law. It’s very driven by social context as it is. I wonder how that differs somewhere like Japan where official seals are expected even for minor documents.

Sounds like everyone involved was making moves to commit to it initially which was probably the biggest factor here.

Thugosaurus_Rex , (edited )

I’d be interested as well, and it’s actually a bit of an open question in the US even whether an emoji can satisfy Statute of Frauds requirements. Not every contract needs to be in writing, but the Statute of Frauds requires that certain types of contracts do need to have a written contract and agreement–sale of goods valued more than $500.00 is one of those categories. Canada has its own various Statute of Frauds laws, but that’s way outside of my jurisdiction, and I can’t tell from the reporting whether any applied or were considered in this case.

Emojis are the focus of more and more litigation these days, and it’s really interesting watching how these cases play out. Here’s a good source (US focused) from Lexis Nexis discussing emojis in contract litigation:

www.lexisnexis.com/…/contracting-by-emoji

ndr , to news in Canadian judge rules the thumbs up emoji counts as a contract agreement

To be honest, I find this equally stupid (or not) as handshakes being legally binding.

IncidentalIncidence ,

Agreed. If verbal agreements and handshake deals can be legally binding contracts, I don’t see why emoji wouldn’t be.

darkmugglet ,

So, er, what does a poop emoji mean?

douglasg14b , to news in Canadian judge rules the thumbs up emoji counts as a contract agreement

I’m sure this won’t have unfortunate knock on effects 😬

Bagel ,

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key ,

Grimacing face is now considered an admission of guilt, law enforcement will be there promptly. 🚨

jordanlund OP ,

We need all sorts of new legal definitions now:

🤔🤮🖕💩😆🥰🤢🥲😜😡🤬🥶🤡🥸

jarfil ,

Apparently “💩” has been the official answer from Twitter’s press relationship contact for some months now… would be funny if it got considered as they’re making legal statements.

jordanlund OP , to news in Canadian judge rules the thumbs up emoji counts as a contract agreement

There are other sources for this article out there, but this was the best one I could find where the headline specified “Canada”.

www.cnn.com/2023/07/07/business/…/index.html

Chetzemoka , to world in The first drug that slows Alzheimer's has finally received FDA approval

Unfortunately this drug and others like it are not a revolution in Alzheimer's treatment. It is VERY questionable if the modest positive impact is worth the known adverse effects, and many in the healthcare industry (myself included) are concerned that these approvals prey on desperate families willing to pay exorbitant prices for any shred of hope.

"Lecanemab reduced markers of amyloid in early Alzheimer’s disease and resulted in moderately less decline on measures of cognition and function than placebo at 18 months but was associated with adverse events. Longer trials are warranted to determine the efficacy and safety of lecanemab in early Alzheimer’s disease."

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2212948

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