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harry_balzac , to technology in Report: Bing Gained Less Than 1% Market Share Since Adding Bing Chat

I have to use Edge and Bing at work. I’ve gotten so used to how I have Firefox and DDG set up as my browser and search on my phone and home computer that using Edge & Bing is uncomfortable - the results page is just a cluttered mess. Is the link an ad? A real result?

Why would I think that Bing chat is anything other than a gimmick? There’s no incentive to use something that might turn out to be just another way for Microsoft to get more data from me.

oxjox , to technology in Report: Bing Gained Less Than 1% Market Share Since Adding Bing Chat
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I use Bing and Edge daily for work because they integrate nicely with M365 and SharePoint. This Copilot crap does nothing but get in my way.

In fact, Microsoft pushing Copilot in our faces only results in a disruption of productivity. It took months (which is break-neck speed for MSFT) for them to add the option to disable Copilot in PowerPlatform. Why it was forced upon users in the first place is beyond comprehension.

Improvements in technology are great. Options are great. Getting out of my way and getting shit done is even greater.

I don’t know about everyone else but, whether it’s a major corporation or an indie app developer or an automotive manufacturer, the way they all keep changing things so quickly (mostly for the worse) is pushing me away from using tech on a whole.

Without getting too off topic (too late?), there’s just so much consumer frustration from streaming services, cars, phones, wearables, vr, delivery services, etc., that I have to imagine / hope that in the next few years we’re going to start seeing an anti-tech movement pick up more traction. I mean, how many people really want a voice driven AI assistant?

Do I want AI to give me better search results? Sure - if it can do so intelligently. It still gets things wrong sending me down a rabbit hole losing hours of productivity. I don’t have time to train your AI for you so just get out of my way and let me know once you’re smarter than me.

Lmaydev ,

I use bing copilot constantly at work. Anytime I need to search for anything I use it.

Saves so much time and gives way more tailored answers than reading blogs/docs.

I can get up and running in a new framework or language instantly now.

It’s also good at finding stuff in less popular languages. For instance searching for vb6 stuff (I know, it sucks haha) almost always gets you VB.net solutions. But bing AI is spot on with it.

It’s totally changed how I work. I can go on a project in a language / framework I’ve never used and be productive within the hour.

grilledcheesecowboy ,

This reads like a poor attempt a guerrilla marketing.

Lmaydev ,

So does everything that’s positive about a product.

otl ,
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I suppose there’s positive, then there’s “totally changed how I work”. It’s a big call. Maybe a real-world example would make it sound more believable: “before ChatGPT, I would have to sift through stacks of outdated VB6 documentation on $task. This took up most of the day. Yesterday I used a LLM to get a basic implementation of $task then I tidied it up and installed it within an hour.”

Lmaydev ,

That sounds way more like an ad to me hehe

The thing is it’s true. Before the internet grew and search engines got big you had a massive manual on your desk for whatever you were using. At my first job I had a yearly budget for buying technical books. That or you’d install a massive help library like MSDN.

Imo this is as big a change as moving from those to blogs and online docs.

Poutinetown , to technology in Report: Bing Gained Less Than 1% Market Share Since Adding Bing Chat

What’s the advantage of using Bing chat over chatgpt? The premium version allows search, and you don’t need to download a different browser to use it.

aaaa ,

It’s free, so when I need to ask about something in the news today, I’ll use Bing. Granted I use a browser extension that lets me use Bing in Firefox.

These are useful tools, but not useful enough that I’m willing to pay for them when there’s free options.

65gmexl3 , to technology in Report: Bing Gained Less Than 1% Market Share Since Adding Bing Chat
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avidamoeba ,
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Well the vast majority selected the correct answer. 🥲

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

so expectation is aligning nicely with reality

birdcat , to technology in Google Testing Ads Mixed Within Organic Search Results
@birdcat@lemmy.ml avatar

kagi is so overrated, I don’t get it. it’s not even worth to set up email aliases and abuse their unlimited trials. searx is much better, if you really want to pay for something and need Ai stuff i recommended perplexity and nothing else.

1984 OP ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

What? I tried searchx and it’s not even close. We can compare query responses if you like… :)

seeg ,
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@birdcat @1984 Isn't searx just a google frontend?

irmoz , to technology in Google Testing Ads Mixed Within Organic Search Results

Hey, do you hate ADS? Here’s an AD!

Maximilious , to technology in Google Testing Ads Mixed Within Organic Search Results
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$120 a year and still limited to 3600 searches. Pretty sure I'm way above that number. I get they need to make up for lost as revenue but that's still too much for me to justify. I'll keep giving my data to a free engine.

601error ,
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They recently made that level unlimited. That’s when I became a customer. Before that, I agree, not worth it.

jackpot , to technology in Google Testing Ads Mixed Within Organic Search Results
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label an ad post as an ‘AD’ next time in the title

1984 OP ,
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Just a happy customer. Do you ever feel excited about a product? That’s how I feel about Kagi.

It’s a fantastic product, and the best search engine in a decade probably.

601error ,
@601error@lemmy.ca avatar

I’m a happy Kagi convert, but yeah, this post is indistinguishable from an ad. A disclaimer and perhaps a rationale for posting would have helped.

1984 OP ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

I thought it would be funny. It’s a play on “do you want to talk about Jesus?”. :)

jackpot ,
@jackpot@lemmy.ml avatar

this is an ad, even if you werent paid to make it or are affiliated with them

Deebster ,
@Deebster@lemmy.ml avatar

I’d seen someone calling all us Kagi fans shills which I thought was stupid at the time, but now I’m starting to see why they might think that.

KKriegGG , to technology in Google Testing Ads Mixed Within Organic Search Results

Half the comments here are part of the sales pitch

crandlecan ,

I think so too

crandlecan , to technology in Google Testing Ads Mixed Within Organic Search Results

Why does Kagi Search require an account? Kagi Search requires an account only because it is a paid service which requires an account for the transaction.

Note that Kagi does not collect any personal information for billing and that you can even use an anonymous payment card such as Privacy if you want to.

I’ll pass …

crandlecan ,

… and stick to presearch.com 🖖

Maven ,
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Somehow I don’t trust a search engine whose front-and-center banner is for crypto trading

crandlecan ,

That’d be a mistake :)

asap ,
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While I agree that this post seems like a giant spammy ad, you don’t have to provide anything personal to Kagi. You can pay with crypto rather than card - I paid using Monero via a swap service.

stoy , to technology in Google Testing Ads Mixed Within Organic Search Results

Duck Duck Go already exists.

GregorGizeh ,

It’s slowly getting worse though. Trust the market to ruin every good thing there is for profits.

stoy ,

Yep, the circle of the internet:

10 Create new awesome service
20 Get a lot of users
30 Build a great community
40 Start running ads to offset costs
50 Get VC funding
60 Add new features that enable increased monetizations 70 Make old core feature more annoying to use.
80 Push users to new features
90 Kill important old core feature
100 Push old users out
110 Increase monetization of the service
120 See user numbers dwindle
130 See new competitors start
140 Count of existing userbase to keep service alive
150 Slowly move into obscurity 160 Become a joke brand that is forever tarnished.
170 Never really die
180 goto 10

NotAPenguin ,

People have always been saying duckduckgo is bad or worse than google but it's always worked fine for me, and still does.

ares35 ,
@ares35@kbin.social avatar

same. haven't had to 'google' on google in years.

1984 OP ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

It’s not even comparable in quality… When I was using it, I had to resort to Google search every day to get good results.

Maven ,
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I won’t lie, I was really dubious on the idea of paying for search, but after the demo I really came around and signed up for the year. Kagi results are far and away better than anything else on 90% of my queries. The only thing I miss is, when you use google in your searchbar, you can use it as a calculator. E.g. if I type “13 * 42”, the top suggestion is “= 546”, you don’t even have to press enter… So I got really used to using that as my default calculator. But Kagi just blanks you, so I’ve had to start keeping a desktop calculator open all the time lol

1984 OP ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

They can probably fix that, they are very open to suggestions, unlike Google. Mail them about it :)

NotAPenguin ,

In my experience the quality is just fine on duckduckgo.

It's a bit different because they aren't tailoring based on all the data google has about you but it's still good.

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