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ofcourse , to world in Turkey leader Erdogan will back Sweden joining Nato - Stoltenberg

Sweden right now -

skillissuer , to world in Turkey leader Erdogan will back Sweden joining Nato - Stoltenberg

like with hungary, i’ll believe that when i’ll see signed papers

xuxebiko ,

You're wise to his and Orban's ways.

332 , (edited ) to world in Turkey leader Erdogan will back Sweden joining Nato - Stoltenberg
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You can’t fool us Erdogan, we’ve seen this move before.

By tomorrow he’ll have new demands. He’ll demand Sweden form a space agency and plant the Turkish flag on the moon or something like that, mark my words.

Deestan ,

Yes yes I signed it just need to find my stamps to put it in the mail. Just one more thing it is very important please can you arrange to hold the Eurovision in Ankara next year instead?

gravitas_deficiency , to world in Turkey leader Erdogan will back Sweden joining Nato - Stoltenberg

Lol wow. Erdogan was singing a very different tune less than 8 hours ago. I’d guess that some very pointed threats around security guarantees and future arms sales were made by the rest of the alliance for him to do an about-face that quickly.

Hairypooper ,

I can’t imagine he’s someone to strongarm. Nor would it be good for the alliance if members are forced into accepting things they don’t want.

I’d imagine he got his desired concessions, or it was mostly just bluster for internal politics.

gravitas_deficiency ,

I think the US delegation took him aside and said something along the lines of “alright chucklefuck, going forward, if you want parts and technical support for any of the massive amounts of extremely advanced military shit we’ve sold you for decades, you’re going to stop fucking around on the Sweden accession”.

Hairypooper ,

Yeahhh that’s not how diplomacy works. That’s how edgy high school kids would imagine running NATO.

2Xtreme21 OP , to worldnews in BBC reports - Sweden is in!

I really want to see the price NATO ended up paying …

reverie , to worldnews in Turkey leader Erdogan will back Sweden joining Nato - Stoltenberg

Well well well. What a pointless exercise in obstinance

crowsby , to world in Turkey leader Erdogan will back Sweden joining Nato - Stoltenberg
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If the goal was to extract concessions, then any actual opposition to it was nothing more than pantomime and theatre. Presumably he finagled a deal he's happy with.

Now Hungary is a different beast, since Orban has recently been much more warm and cuddly with Putin than Turkey has, but perhaps with Turkey acceding to the arrangement they'll play some follow-the-fascist-leader and fall in line.

Balssh ,

Hungary is also dependent on EU money, Turkey is not.

NevermindNoMind , to world in Turkey leader Erdogan will back Sweden joining Nato - Stoltenberg

So I guess Turkey is getting some shiny new F16s?

Karyoplasma , to worldnews in BBC reports - Sweden is in!

I’m surprised. Erdogan is not known for non-confronational decisions, especially if they benefit others. Did he suffer a sudden bout of dementia?

variaatio ,

Nah. He is also known for instant turns, when he thinks he has bargained enough or when it happens to suit the image he wants to present.

For example say he decided “Vilnius is the moment I stop bargaining, but only at last minute. Lets see what concessions I can get out of them until then” or so on.

It is exactly on brand for Erdogan to suddenly turn his position and go “what problem, there is no problem. What I said last week there was a problem… no no no, I Erdogan The First have solved problem quickly in only few days. Yes we made a deal, I negotiated amazing deal, deal solves the problem. There is No problem anumore. It’s solved.”

What happened to solve the problem? Nothing, Erdogan just stopped insisting there was a problem in first place and well some flowery language on top to make it look like it was deal to end the problem and not a climb down to end the problem.

derin ,
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Yeah, this sums it up pretty nicely.

You do also have to remember that a lot of this was around the elections and stoking the flames of a boogeyman (the PKK), so now that they’re done and over with it was just a matter of time.

InfiniteFlow , to world in Turkey leader Erdogan will back Sweden joining Nato - Stoltenberg
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Apparently his price is for the EU to allow Turkey to join…

ribboo ,

The price is for Sweden to push for talks to be brought up again. That is not the same thing as letting Turkey join the EU. Though it should also be said the Swedish prime minister said no new terms have been agreed since November.

Snickers ,

Won’t happen, not with the whole Hungary mess and the rise of the political far-right going on. No government would risk political suicide and the end of the Union for Sweden’s NATO membership.

MisterMoo , to world in Turkey leader Erdogan will back Sweden joining Nato - Stoltenberg
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Great news!

expatriado , to world in Turkey leader Erdogan will back Sweden joining Nato - Stoltenberg

about time

Cynicivity , to worldnews in Turkey leader Erdogan will back Sweden joining Nato - Stoltenberg

Didn’t he just say either yesterday or today that he wouldn’t back Sweden joining NATO until Turkey was allowed into the EU? I hope his neck wasn’t broken from that whiplash.

e033x ,

Luckily, being dictator in a post truth environment apparently voids the need for consistancy. Something something always at war with oceania something insert comment about the prescience of some old/dead person.

Ryan213 , to world in Twitter Blue accounts fuel Ukraine War misinformation
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No way!

xc2215x , to world in Turkey leader Erdogan will back Sweden joining Nato - Stoltenberg

Good for Erdogan. I don’t say that often.

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