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US aid group admits Gaza convoy was taken over by unvetted people before IDF struck them

A US-based aid group admitted Friday that a group of individuals — who the Israeli military says were armed — took control of an aid convoy in the southern Gaza Strip the day before, without the organization having vetted them or coordinated the matter with the Israel Defense Forces.

The military said Thursday that it struck the gunmen, killing them while not harming aid workers.

According to the IDF, Hamas operatives frequently try to hijack aid deliveries.

The IDF had said on Thursday that a convoy of aid trucks from the American Near East Refugee Aid (Anera) organization entered the southern Rafah area with Israeli coordination. It said that during the drive, it identified a group of gunmen taking over a vehicle at the front of the convoy and beginning to lead it. The IDF described the act as a hijacking attempt.

Shortly afterward, the IDF said it was able to determine that it could strike just the car with the gunmen, without harming the rest of the convoy, and so it carried out a strike, killing at least four.

roboto ,

Times of Israel + IOF as sources is an instant red flag, and no matter what happened in this single incident let’s keep talking about the fact that there’s a genocide going out carried out by apartheid settler colonialists who want to kill every single Palestinian on this planet. We need a ceasefire now and an end to the colonization.

johker216 ,

carried out by apartheid settler colonialists who want to kill every single Palestinian on this planet

This is the kind of hyperbole that makes it real easy for others to label critics of the actions of current Israeli leadership antisemites.

No, Israelis are not trying to exterminate all Palestinians; Yes, Netanyahu does not care about limiting collateral damage when targeting suspected Hamas militants.

If you’re passionate enough to comment, be passionate enough to communicate unambiguously.

roboto ,

Try harder

theacharnian ,
@theacharnian@lemmy.ca avatar

Yes, the “all Palestinians on the planet” bit was indeed extreme. They don’t really care about Palestinians in, say, Michigan. It’s the ones in Gaza and the West Bank they want to get rid of. Ideally with “simple” ethnic cleansing and expulsion, a second Nakba, like their high ranking government officials have been saying. But in less than ideal situations, like the current one, their low ranking officials, military officers, prison guards, soldiers etc have already shown they are perfectly capable of hearing the genocidal dog whistle.

roboto ,

Nah I really mean it: …wikipedia.org/…/List_of_Israeli_assassinations

They also killed many non violent political activists. Additionally Zionists deny Palestinians their Palestinian identity and just refer to them as „Arabs“. Any Palestinian who insists on their right to exist in their native homeland and is politically active in that matter can be killed literally anywhere anytime. The only way for a Palestinian to be left alone by the Zionist entity is to renounce their Palestinianness.

theacharnian ,
@theacharnian@lemmy.ca avatar

I didn’t say you didn’t mean It, I said it was an extreme statement and I stand by that characterization. I won’t deny that Israel has assassinated Palestinians in the rest of the world (I mean, …Haniyeh) but it’s absolutely not the case that any Palestinian anywhere is in danger from the Mossad simply for asserting their identity. The Israelis just haven’t sunk down to that level.

roboto ,

Fair enough, just saying that as the list shows even being merely an intellectual trying to keep the identity and culture alive can get you killed and what keeps alive a people’s identity if not culture? Anyway I understand that it sounds extreme to some and I think that’s okay.

SwingingTheLamp ,

Have they been hunting Palestinian people across the globe? That’d make the Israeli regime worse than the Nazis, which is a bold claim. I think that, like the Nazis, they just want their targets removed from the land they claim as their own. They just happen to be fine with genocide to achieve that goal.

roboto ,

Yes they have been hunting Palestinian across the globe, they carried out a lot of assassinations against the Palestinian resistance. Although really I don’t see how there’s any comparison to the Nazis necessary so please don’t put words in my mouth.

I agree with you on the second part it’s just that their claim is based on a settler colonial ideology that can’t function without dehumanizing the colonized people and challenging their right to exist and they challenge that globally because every Palestinian existing anywhere on this planet potentially blocks them from achieving their sick goals

johker216 ,

Israelis and Palestinians aren’t monoliths and both groups generally want to coexist peacefully in a region they both have legitimate historical ties to. Yes, to stop the current fighting a ceasefire is needed. However, a ceasefire is not going to solve the problem of the IDF’s unrestricted killing of civilians as bystanders in response to Hamas directly targeting civilians as part of their genocidal aims towards Jews (in general).

Just because the Israeli government has more power doesn’t suddenly make Israelis the “baddies.” There’s a reason why Palestinians, and other regional groups, want Hamas gone and look to the West Bank for the PLO to lead the future of a Palestinian state. Hamas takes actions without caring what happens to the people of Gaza as long as they get to kill some Jews (and inspire their killing globally) and provoke disproportionate retaliation from Netanyahu to feed back into their system of civilian oppression.

The moment lasting peace settles in the region, Netanyahu can’t continue to avoid his personal legal problems, Hamas can’t reach their goal of a global Jewish genocide, and Iran can’t continue to destabilize the region and avoid its own internal instability. The fact that weapons manufacturers don’t get to profit from this stability is also a global win.

The goal is to prevent the killing of Palestinian civilians and to restore their self-governance where they’re settled- also to rebuild. It should be fairly obvious that Hamas is the biggest roadblock. The IDF can then focus on right-wing settlers breaking Israeli law and restore those settlements back to Palestinians in their new state.

roboto ,

Some things are really simple. The zionists have colonized Palestine and established an apartheid settler colonial regime that is currently committing genocide against the colonized. They are the baddies. That is not to say that Hamas are in any way the good guys, it’s just that colonizing people is wrong and apartheid and genocide are some of the worst crimes against humanity so an entity committing these crimes is of course bad.

johker216 ,

If that is simple to you, then you really haven’t done any research into the subject. Would you call the native tribes of Oklahoma colonizers after they regained much of their land from the state? Of course not, because it’s not as simple as I’ve described it - imagine a non-native Oklahoman calling the Chickasaw colonizers because suddenly they are in the jurisdiction of that Nation? That’s what extremists sound like, using charged words that evoke emotions from other situations unlike the one described.

roboto ,

What are you even on about? I don’t think I can follow you.

catloaf ,

Where do you draw the line for “legitimate historical ties”? Because Israel was carved out of Palestinian territory in 1948.

If you keep going back, there was a Kingdom of Israel in the same region, but that was all the way back in the Iron Age. I don’t know if you can draw a line from there to modern Israel.

johker216 ,

I understand that a line has to be drawn somewhere, and frankly it doesn’t matter how far back either’s claim goes - there are significant numbers of Palestinians and Israelis who have only known the current boundaries and any changes fundamentally alter their identities. Sure, we can go into the genocides committed against the Jews in the region over the past 2000 years that expelled them from the area and gives cause to antisemites that call Jews “white”, or violence perpetrated by Europeans when breaking up the Ottoman Empire and stoking ethnic violence over the past 100. But those claims only matter to the extremists as wedge issues used to divide.

Extremists shouldn’t get to determine the future of millions who clearly want to live peacefully together. No one can bring back the murdered, but Israel, regional powers, the US, and European countries owe it to humanity to rebuild the destroyed cities in the same fashion that we intend to rebuild Ukraine.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

The Jewish people were expelled from the area in 70 CE so Palestinians essentially lived there for almost 2000 years.

catloaf ,

Yes, they have. en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_Israeli_assassinations

And that’s just the ones we know about.

oberstoffensichtlich OP ,
@oberstoffensichtlich@feddit.org avatar

no matter what happened in this single incident

Who cares about the truth.

roboto ,

Happy to translate this to German in case there’s a language barrier here, but that’s not how most people have read my comment.

kescusay ,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

Given IDF’s less-than-stellar behavior so far, I’m going to remain skeptical until we know for sure that the aid workers in the rest of the convoy are alive and well.

steventhedev ,

No need to wait. Here’s their statement: anera.org/…/anera-convoy-attacked-en-route-to-emi…

No Anera staff were harmed, though one Anera employee, who was in the second vehicle, witnessed the incident at close range.

Despite this attack, the remainder of the convoy continued its mission and successfully delivered the critical aid to the hospital. Anera has coordinated with the United Arab Emirates 24 prior shipments for the Emirati Red Crescent Hospital since May.

rc__buggy ,

Here’s the key bit, IMO:

The four community members were neither vetted nor coordinated in advance, and Israeli authorities allege that the lead car was carrying numerous weapons. Every initial report from those at the scene indicate that no weapons were present.

Sounds a lot like the scandal around the “Collateral Murder” tapes. Unidentified people on ground and low level personnel “identify” weapons = dead civilians.

kescusay ,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks. Nice to see some good news for once.

Sundial ,

Reported by Iarael, the paragon of truth. /s

superkret ,

There is no true reporting in a war zone. The only people with access and reach are the conflict parties, both of which have a strong incentive to lie.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Yes there can be true reporting in a war zone. The probem here is Israel has refused to allow any foreign journalists into Gaza or the West Bank … leaving Palestinians as the only source outside of Israeli news sources. Then Israel targeted and murdered over 100 Palestinian journalists, so now very few are there to tell their side of the story.

theacharnian ,
@theacharnian@lemmy.ca avatar

I can’t place exactly which variant of the no true Scotsman fallacy this is.

Anyway here is a list of some of the most impactful and amazing journalists in history: en.m.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_war_correspondents

theacharnian , (edited )
@theacharnian@lemmy.ca avatar

First, these yahoos have no credibility after repeatedly lying and covering their criminal asses, so just from it’s sources, this very neat explanation is suspect from the get go.

Second, the very framing of the situation (unknown gunmen hijackers) is itself highly loaded and designed to make the Israelis and their enablers to feel OK about an attack on an aid convoy. It is meant to convey certainty that these were nefarious Nazgûl that just had to be taken out. For all we know, they could just as well be non-hamas good Samaritan actors trying to help the aid workers navigate the ruins of the bombed out ghetto because there is a famine going on. We have no way of knowing without an independent investigation. But that’s impossible because Netanyahu’s political survival depends on a forever war.

Third, there is obviously here the narrative of the moral army, that only takes necessary action, very carefully etc. This narrative seems to only come up when non-palestinians are involved, as is the case here, because Palestinian lives simply don’t really matter to them. Again, notice how there is zero information or concern about who the dead actually were and what their motivations and behaviour actually was. They simply don’t matter: they were Palestinians.

lennybird ,
@lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

These Fuckers made the exact same excuse when they struck the World Central Kitchen convoy back in April.

All their rhetorical damage control speaks exactly like the Kremlin.

Even if it turns out true, boy, have they lost all trust.

Silverseren ,

The "group of individuals" was the local movement company. They were assisting getting to the destination and there was no evidence that they made any hostile actions. That's what ANERA says in this article even. So they didn't admit to any of the made up nonsense that IDF or this Times of Israel article is claiming.

AmidFuror ,

I won't believe this story until a neutral source like Hamas or Al Jazeera confirms it.

superkret ,

What makes you think Hamas and Al Jazeera are neutral?

AmidFuror ,

Because they come down on the side of the Palestinians every time, and I don't want facts to get in the way of how I feel about this.

SaltySalamander ,

Lookie here boys, a wooooosh in the wild!

Count042 ,

Do you support the rape and torture camp sde teiman that Israel runs?

NoIWontPickAName ,

Wtf does that have to do with anything here?

Count042 ,

This is a post where the obvious intent is to whitewash an attempt to murder aid workers by the IDF. Something that continually happens time and time again with every aid group because Israel explicitly doesn’t want the aid coming in.

Questioning the motives of the poster trying to justify yet another atrocity is appropriate.

oberstoffensichtlich OP ,
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No

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