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Brazilian court orders suspension of Elon Musk’s X after it missed deadline

Late on Friday afternoon, Justice Alexandre de Moraes – who has been engaged in a dispute with X’s owner, Elon Musk, since April – ordered the “immediate, complete and total suspension of X’s operations” in the country, “until all court orders … are complied with, fines are duly paid, and a new legal representative for the company is appointed in the country”.

He gave Brazil’s National Telecommunications Agency 24 hours to enforce the decision. Once notified, the agency must pass the order on to the more than 20,000 broadband internet providers in the country, each of which must block X.

In an interview with the TV channel Globonews, the agency’s president, Carlos Manuel Baigorri, said the order had already been passed on to internet providers.

“Since we’re talking about more than 20,000 companies, each will have its own implementation time, but … we expect that probably over the weekend all companies will be able to implement the block,” he said.

Justice Moraes also summoned Apple and Google to “implement technological barriers to prevent the use of the X app by users of the iOS and Android systems” and to block the use of virtual private network (VPN) applications.

The decision imposes a daily fine of R$50,000 (£6,800) on individuals and companies that attempt to continue using X via VPN.

merde OP ,

sounds feasible except the “blocking the use of vpn apps” part?

EleventhHour ,
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At best that’s just unclear. Blocking VPNs isn’t impossible, just impractical. And it’s not like Brazil just became China. At worst, the just made accessing X impracticality expensive for its users— which, in Brazil, is a lot of people. In typical Brazilian fashion, they’re hitting Elon in the wallet.

Chozo ,

Yeah, that line was particularly concerning. I'm all for watching Elon get a Brazilian beatdown, but that feels like a pretty large overstep.

merde OP ,

Justice Moraes had also said that any person in Brazil who tried to still use X via common privacy software called a virtual private network, or VPN, could be fined nearly $9,000 a day. But after swift backlash across Brazil, including from academics who have supported him, he reversed that move in an amended order late Friday.

nytimes.com/…/brazil-elon-musk-x-blocked.html

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

Good to see someone listening to people more knowledgeable than them.

new_guy ,

Yeah, this left a bad taste.

At least he revoked this section of the decision a couple hours later.

el_hache ,

He went back on that part (in Portuguese):

…com.br/…/moraes-mantem-suspensao-do-x-mas-recua-…

suction ,

Why? VPN is not a magic bullet. Wait, did you believe their marketing??

nondescripthandle ,

Obrigado

yokonzo ,

Tchau, Elon

EleventhHour ,
@EleventhHour@lemmy.world avatar

When you’re too corrupt, even for Brazil, that really does say something.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

They’re more WhatsApp people than Twitter people anyway.

But this is pretty standard legal stuff. Musk just doesn’t think he has to send a lawyer down to argue his case. He can blow it off, thinking that he’s simply above the law.

It isn’t even corruption, per say. It’s just entitlement slamming into another state’s basic sovereignty.

EleventhHour ,
@EleventhHour@lemmy.world avatar

Well, maybe I’m just too GenX, but, to me, that’s a distinction without a difference. WhatsApp is texting with extra steps, and Twitter is for Nazis. I’ve never used the former and gave up the latter along with FB and insta early on during covid. Reddit was my last social whatever, and I jumped that ship last June for this last shout.

I’ve never had tiktaky or snapsnore. Most of my time on my phone is spent either here or listening to news podcasts— which is pretty much what I did as a teenager: listening to NPR as my morning routine then a news/music mix throughout the day.

Hmmm…. How unusual and a little confusing to be both impressed and disappointed in oneself… well that’s why some of our best paid scientists are furiously genetically engineering new strains of cannabis! So I don’t have to deal with this shit!

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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WhatsApp is texting with extra steps, and Twitter is for Nazis.

No shortage of Nazis on Whatsapp. And not the Discount Donny Groypers, either. Real Boys From Brazil. People with an actual Nazi pedigree.

How unusual and a little confusing to be both impressed and disappointed in oneself

Eh. We all eat from the trough of ideology.

EleventhHour ,
@EleventhHour@lemmy.world avatar

lol, if you say so. I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels a little let down with myself ¯_(ツ)_/¯

14th_cylon ,

They’re more WhatsApp people than Twitter people anyway.

I thought they are orkut people?

Roldyclark ,

Orkut lmao that’s a deep cut. Remember my Brasilian friend growing up using it and I was like wtf is this.

suction ,

You know how Americans have ZERO base to stand on talking about other countries anymore? Didn’t get the memo? You guys are the bottom of the barrel now in every aspect. Sheesh.

Darkassassin07 ,
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I’m kind of on the fence with this one.

As much as I dislike Twitter/X and it’s owner; their ‘crime’ is refusing to silence the political opponents of those currently in power, then further refusing to pay fines for that decision… Decisions, at least in principle, I agree with.

That said: I haven’t actually seen the content that’s at the center of this dispute; the posts of those political opponents. I’m also not very familiar with Brazils politics, so perhaps there’s context I’m missing.

merde OP ,

musk has no problems with taking down political opponents’ xitter accounts when the request is coming from “right wing” governments (rather authoritarian or far-right)

he doesn’t care about freedom of speech, he only cares about his kind of speech. If he refused all take down requests, i would agree with you

Darkassassin07 ,
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~~As far as I understand this is a right-wing authoritarian gov silencing left-wing opponent’s. ~~

Am i mistaken?

/pre-post edit: Yes, yes I am.

That certainly throws out any bit of sympathy I may of had… Though I still think they made the right decision to refuse to comply.

¯(-_-)/¯ oh well.

ShinkanTrain ,

their ‘crime’ is refusing to silence the political opponents of those currently in power

First they came for the christofascists who attempted a coup, and I didn’t speak out 😔

NeoNachtwaechter ,

their ‘crime’ is refusing to silence the political opponents of those currently in power, then further refusing to pay fines for that decision…

Isn’t it natural: if you refuse to obey numerous court orders and pay your fines, you’ll get even worse court orders. This is not exactly the way to challenge the reasons for these other orders.

suction ,

If that’s what you think is wrong with Twitter, you might be one of the bad guys

Darkassassin07 ,
@Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca avatar

that’s what you think is wrong with Twitter

?

What is ‘that’ exactly…?

I’ve said nothing about what’s wrong with twitter. I’ve said I agree with refusing to silence political opposition for those in power, at least in principle. I’ve also, at least tried, to be pretty clear I’m likely missing some contex; so that may be a bit of a misinterpretation of the situation.

Quicky ,

Wait, there are 20,000 ISPs!?

Caligvla ,
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I’m guessing they mean regional subsidiaries, Brazil is big, but not that big.

eager_eagle ,
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idk where that number came from, but there’s a survey from 2022 listing 11,630 providers. That would average 2.08 per municipality and makes sense imo. The larger-scale telecom infrastructure is still an oligopoly though.

clot27 ,
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Good

downpunxx ,

"Alexandre de Moraes, the court’s top judge, has also ordered daily fines for people or businesses in Brazil that use virtual private networks (VPNs) or other methods to access X while the site is banned in the country"

how do they imagine vpn's work down there in ole brazil

KairuByte ,
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Individuals will be nigh impossible to properly handle, but a registered business with a known presence on X won’t be difficult at all.

They aren’t saying they will fine for the use of VPNs, but the continued use of X through alternative means.

Halcyon ,
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Spread it to Everybody from Brazil: Leave Xitter, JOIN MASTODON!

How to join Mastodon:

www.followchain.org/join-mastodon/

powerofm ,

I think that site has incorrect information. They wrote “you need to sign up separately on every server on Mastodon to see their community posts” but surely that’s the opposite of what the fediverse is about? Mastodon’s server page even says that with a single account you can see everything.

suction ,

How about not using “Social Media” at all? Too out there?

blind3rdeye ,

There is some misleading information in there. Probably better to just get straight to the point with the ‘standard’ joinmastodon.org link.

suction ,

So if you’re are Brazilian nazi, go get a Windows phone

istanbullu ,
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