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FlashMobOfOne ,
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It’s nice to see that some non-US countries are willing to stand up to this fascist turd.

Caligvla ,
@Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Honestly, I have mixed feelings on this. On the one hand, that’s the government reaching waaaay beyond what it should without any real laws to back it up, on the other hand, fuck Musk and if this is what it takes to keep gullible people off nazifascist misinformation and propaganda then 🤷‍♂️.

ProgrammingSocks ,

The law doesn’t function the same everywhere. When you start/run an international business, it is necessary to understand this. When you don’t, things like this happen.

Caligvla ,
@Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Ok, but there isn’t anything in the Brazilian body of law that says social media needs to have legal representation in the country to be functional, otherwise TikTok, Reddit and even Lemmy would’ve been blocked long ago, that’s the argument being made. That said, nothing like this has ever happened before, so maybe this could serve as a precedent for a new series of legislations.

arthur ,

There is, the “Marco Civil da Internet” states that a business that works in Brazil needs to respect Brazil’s law, and non compliance may trigger block in it’s service by ruling. The representation don’t need to be on the country, the problem with Twitter is that they closed its offices here trying to avoid compliance in the first place. Elon is trying to enforce his views over Brazil’s law. To force a crisis IMHO.

Rooskie91 ,

Wow so Brazil has the freest democracy now?

xor ,

Lula Brazil is very different from bolsonaro Brazil

pipows , (edited )
@pipows@lemmy.today avatar

Brazilian here. This a controversial topic, so take what I say as an opinion.

Although Musk is a man child and a scumbag, he is right on this. He is not refusing to comply with local laws, he is refusing to comply with illegal, monocratic decisions from the supreme court.

It is not news that the supreme court had given themselves dictator-like powers. In this case, there is no law that mandates that a social network has to have legal representatives in the country, and there is no law that a social network has to censor specific person, unless they are commiting a crime, which of course require a investigation and the due legal process, all steps that the supreme court had ignored. Moreover, the supreme court is not persecution, so they can’t just make this decision without being summoned.

They’ve been doing that for a while now, in the name of fighting “anti-democratic acts”, which is just a faceless ghost. This is, again, based on no law whatsoever, so the supreme court had taken for themselves persecution and legislative powers, gravely hurting the separation of powers.

Disclaimer: I’m not right leaning, but I’m as libertarian as one can be

TWeaK ,

Law isn’t defined just by legislation, it is also defined by case law. A judge’s ruling on a previous case makes that ruling law.

Now, I’m not saying this ruling is appropriate - I simply don’t know enough about how it came to be. But if Brazil made laws about social media companies and then a judge made a ruling based on that law requiring social media companies have a representative, then that absolutely is valid law.

To draw an example, the EU never made a law about cookie splash screens. The EU made GDPR law (well, strictly speaking they made a directive, then member states make laws that must meet or exceed that directive), and then a judge interpreted that law and made it a requirement to have cookie splash screens. I would personally argue that the judge was trying to shove a square peg through a round hole there, when really he should have identified that data collection is in fact a secondary transaction hidden in the fine print (rather than an exchange of data for access to the service, this isn’t how the deal is presented to the user; the service is offered free of charge but the fine print says your data is surrendered free of charge), and he should have made it such that users get paid for the data that’s being collected. However, the judge’s ruling stands as law now.

salmoura ,

I’m not right leaning, but I’m as libertarian as one can be

A right-winger, then? Cool, keep us posted.

pipows ,
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Libertarian is not right-wing (at least as what right-wing and libertarian means here, maybe it is not the same in the US?)

The right is conservative. It is religion based, against the liberation of drugs, usually not concerned with LGBT or women rights. Libertarianism is none of this, since it most concerned with individual freedom

arthur ,

Yeah, that can be different in other places. From a brazilian perspective, there is no “left” on US mainstream politics. There is only fascist-right, conservative right and center-right.

Caligvla ,
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Libertarianism is a right-wing ideology though, it’s pro corporate deregulation and lasseiz-faire capitalism. If you’re pro individual freedom, but opposed to right-wing ideas then the closest thing you can be is an Anarchist.

LukeZaz ,

I don’t know if libertarianism courts a different audience in Brazil, but in the U.S. it has a very rabidly right-wing audience who effectively want to tear down as much government as possible, and who view “your freedom ends at my face” as an insult. It’s the ideology of an extraordinarily unregulated market – a true “free market” – which is a monopolistic and wildly unethical disaster waiting to happen.

Anarcho-capitalism, which your username references, is all of that, only more. So you might understand why effectively everyone here is going to treat that with extreme suspicion.

elfpie ,

I agree there’s abuse, but there are laws:

Article explaining the laws used as support / Article with historical precedent.

Both in Portuguese.

thingsiplay ,

Twitter, it’s Twitter!

TWeaK ,

They have at least moved away from the twitter.com URL, up until then it was hard to argue that it wasn’t still Twitter. However, until they come up with a new name for “tweets” I think the original name should still stand.

Nougat ,

Shits.

Tolookah ,

Spelt Xits

Banichan ,
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“Tweets” is a permanent label of the short form message post. Changing it to “posts” is like calling text messages “essays”.

TWeaK ,

Yes and no. It only really applies to Twitter/X and Twitter clones. You wouldn’t call a Facebook post a tweet, no matter how short, nor would you call a reddit or lemmy post/comment that.

And even then, Mastadon has its own term, toots, and BlueSky calls them skeets.

Until Twitter comes up with a new name in line with their new branding, I think the business should still be referred to as Twitter. But the business should go bankrupt before that happens, hopefully, the lenders need to call in their debts already.

don ,

Um, excuse me, but I’m very well known for rexing awesome xs on x, and will definitely subx you for what you’ve lemmied here.

ShadowRam ,

Xitter

vk6flab ,
@vk6flab@lemmy.radio avatar

And many of them are heading to BlueSky…

beepnoise ,

Well tbf I'm seeing the introdução hashtag trending on Mastodon (on my server it is second)

JudahBenHur ,

can confirm

arthur ,

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