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rivermonster , in Feds say Texas is blocking Border Patrol from a section of the border, ask U.S. Supreme Court to intervene

It’s time to extinguish the lone star. When you take up arms against the country… it’s SHERMAN TIME!

Joking aside, though, this is treason and literally taking up arms against the country. The insurrection needs to be put down, and the courtrooms filled with these traitors on trial, especially Abbot and his cronies.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

Send in the FBI along with support of they’re using the Texas guard…

Arrest everyone for interfering with federal law enforcement. If that doesn’t make the point, then we can get more extreme.

AutistoMephisto ,
@AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world avatar

Even simpler than that. Biden is the Commander in Chief. Abbot can mobilize the National Guard in his state, but at the end of the day if their commander receives a stand down order direct from the President, they MUST obey, or it’s insubordination and the penalty for insubordination within the military is much higher than in the private sector.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

That… assumes they listen. these fuckwits are already overstepping their legal authority. But yes, anyone in the Nat Guard should get a stand-down order and told to fuck off, and refusal… well FAFO applies.

The problem is that Abbot is not just using Nat Guard, but also local cops. (and park rangers,). Those lot should get hit with federal obstruction charges.

PhlubbaDubba ,

The ol’ Eisenhower special, “fuck your segregation supporting national guard, now they’re my integration enforcing national guard.”

Genuinely shocked more presidents haven’t whipped that one out against insubordinate governors, by now I’d have made a show of having them arrest Abbott on charges of human trafficking for the bus shit.

AnneBonny ,

What is Biden waiting for? Is he trying to de-escalate the situation in some other way?

rambaroo ,

He’s being a coward like Democrats always are.

reagansrottencorpse ,

Sure would be nice to have actual opposition to the fascists. We get the Democrats instead.

jas0n ,

That’s sort of their shtick. They need the Republicans to exist so they are the only option for anyone capable of critical thinking. We have a right wing party and a religious, extremist party. I’m never going to vote for anyone who wants to make laws based on what their imaginary friend tells them, so I’m stuck voting for a bunch of corporate shills… Hooray.

ganksy ,
@ganksy@lemmy.world avatar

This is the same and easiest answer. National guard is on fed payroll. See how long they stay the course pro bono.

AnneBonny ,

Send in the FBI along with support of they’re using the Texas guard…

What are you saying here?

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

I’m saying they’re obstructing federal law enforcement. (BPC are federal LEOs,)

the FBI is probably going to be better equipped to handle dealing with arresting a shit load of idiots who think that obstructing FEDERAL agents is a good idea, than the BPC. Arrest everyone and nail them with all appropriate charges.

AnneBonny ,

I just wasn’t sure what you were saying.

send in the FBI

OK, I get this part.

along with support of

this seems like maybe an incomplete thought here

they’re using the Texas guard

uh, yes

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

support from the military- nat guard is a military organization, so, FBI may need additional resources to deal with it, if things go to shit.

AnneBonny ,

Again, thank you for the clarification.

dylanmorgan ,

Yeah, fuck the Supreme Court. I want the FBI to raid the governor’s mansion and take Abbott into custody. Might as well snatch up Dan Patrick and Ken Paxton while they’re at it, put them on trial in…fuck it, Hawaii. I’d bet money a jury of Hawaii residents would vote to toss those three into the Molokai channel and let the waves have them.

Transporter_Room_3 ,
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I grew up close to where Sherman was born.

I’m starting to get the urge to take a stroll on down to the ocean for some southern BBQ.

rivermonster ,

I love BBQ both literally and figuratively. LOL

DemBoSain ,
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I do not like BBQ, but I’ll pitch in some gas money and a mix-tape.

toiletobserver , in Iowa's Christian conservatives follow their faith when voting, and some say it leads them to Trump

“Iowa’s conservatives pretend their faith says whatever they feel like when voting, and some say it leads them to Cheetos.”

Tylerdurdon , (edited )

Thou shall licketh the orange from thyne fingers in holy glory, sayeth the Lord.

Ezekiel 29:17

qooqie , in SpaceX executives worried Elon Musk was on drugs during 'cringeworthy' all-hands meeting, WSJ reports

It’s news sure but is anyone thinking it’s groundbreaking news that Elon musk might be on drugs most of the time?

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  • gullible ,

    100% an upper or “microdosing” on a hallucinogen. Just a nibble of psilocybin every day before impregnating a secretary and after bed.

    This is entirely unrelated, aside from the stupidity of the subject, but I’m reminded of that fella who repeatedly injected mushrooms to try to get high. He sterilized the mushrooms by boiling, then blended, loaded into a hypo, and slowly plunged the mixture into his arm. He ended up with a complete systemic fungal infection but survived. I wish Musk would get creative with it.

    martinb ,

    Nightmare fuel, or back story for a superhero… idk.

    flipht ,

    What does his glabella have to do with anything?

    helenslunch ,
    @helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

    This is the first I’ve heard of it actually.

    Daft_ish ,

    He was on Rogan smoking a joint. Not that weed is a particularly harmful drug but I bet you would catch 0 other CEOs doing it so brazenly.

    helenslunch ,
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    I mean he had a half a puff of a joint. Not that alcohol is a particularly harmful drug but I’m sure plenty of CEOs enjoy a beer from time to time without becoming full blown drug addicts.

    nepenthes ,
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    Only one of those is physically addictive, and the withdrawal can kill ya.

    0Xero0 ,
    @0Xero0@lemmy.world avatar

    Wait, you’re telling me he’s not on drugs 24/7?

    homesweethomeMrL ,

    No. We’re saying the SpaceX board is not on enough of them. Because they’re going to light up the whole business by leaving him in place rather than figuring out what it’s going to take to launch him into the sun. I mean remove him.

    yesman , in Judge suggests change to nitrogen execution to let inmate pray and say final words without gas mask

    I think public executions where the prisoner is tortured to death are more progressive than supposed “humane” methods.

    Not because I like cruelty or think they deserve it, but I want the State to do it’s killing out in the open where citizens are exposed to what’s happening in their name. Hiding the act behind closed doors and beneath a cloak of “humane” methods allows the State to exercise ultimate authority in secret from the people from whom that authority is derived. It’s the State and the supporters of the death penalty that are being spared pain.

    Yes, I got this from Foucault.

    Crack0n7uesday ,

    You highly overestimate the amount of compassion the average person has. If you torture people to death in public people will sell tickets for the best seats. The Romans built a whole damn arena for this purpose.

    yesman ,

    Yes! you’re correct. It will be spectacle and celebration. We may revel in our cruelty, but we cannot feign mercy.

    The question of capital punishment comes into focus. I don’t trust in compassion; I’m advocating for honesty.

    jwt ,

    If anything, I think it would normalize killing (even more). But I guess I get where OP is coming from: Governments shouldn’t get away with killing a human by claiming it’s a humane act.

    CleoTheWizard ,
    @CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world avatar

    I can’t tell if you’re joking or if you think people have the same morals as someone from the roman history

    wolfshadowheart ,

    Have you seen the state of the world lately? I’m surprised we don’t have the football stadiums converted once a year for this

    CleoTheWizard ,
    @CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world avatar

    The job of corporations and media and politics is to divide people. And even more so it will make you think your neighbor is a savage. It keeps people alone and independent workers to exploit. When in reality, your neighbors are average people that aren’t bloodthirsty. Most people can hardly handle their own lives and are depressed enough as it is without having a sporting event dedicated to killing people. I didn’t realize how well this propaganda type stuff works but clearly it does.

    wolfshadowheart ,

    When Nazis stop going across the country having hate parades in my state I’ll agree with you.

    CleoTheWizard ,
    @CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world avatar

    You’re right, I’m sure the majority of your state is politically extremist and would welcome blood sport.

    wolfshadowheart ,

    We are historically a sundown state. The leading party is trying to ban books and change education curriculums. Our police showed up in riot gear for peaceful protests like when Roe v. Wade was turned, and those same police are literal klan members. We know this because during that Nazi rally I mentioned, the police in uniform were nowhere to be found. They were all photographed taking part in the rally. Yet these officers are happy to show up armed in riot gear at peaceful protests…

    So yeah, I do feel that my state is politically extremist, and a number of people would absolutely welcome something like that. I wish it weren’t how I felt and I wish it weren’t the truth, but that’s just the byproduct of 2016 and years and years of Fox News and other propaganda “politicizing” peoples identity.

    Most of the state? As individuals definitely not, there are many against our state government who actively campaign. We get targeted, followed home, and assaulted for being queer, for being activists who dare try and speak out against hatred at peaceful protests. And yet despite all of us, somehow all those asshats are still getting elected with no policies made to protect these citizens.

    I’m not trying to be facetious here. I believe in goodwill first and foremost and doing the right thing over doing nothing, and I always have hope for the best in people. But after 2016, fuck, after January 6th we have to be better than optimistic. We have to hold people accountable, and that means recognizing the actual state of the world we are in, which means recognizing that yes, there are people right now who would argue for a bloodsport. To them it would be bonus points if it was LGBT+ and POC participants.

    The only way to come close to changing is by acknowledging our faults as a whole and do as much as we can to remedy them. We have to be compassionate while being completely intolerant of their hateful bullshit and insane rhetoric.

    psmgx ,

    The Saudis do

    kromem ,

    Tell me you’ve never watched a Republican primary debate without telling me.

    Nearly every election cycle there’s at least one debate where the death penalty comes up and you have governors competing with each other over body counts to an audience cheering them on.

    CleoTheWizard ,
    @CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world avatar

    None of what you said represents average people

    kromem ,

    I suspect you overestimate the average person.

    CleoTheWizard ,
    @CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world avatar

    Saying that people would enjoy public violence is a pure fantasy. No average person is going to go to an execution, they’re barely even favorable and only because it’s “humane”. Most people are nonviolent. Most people will never see anyone die unexpectedly or intentionally. Most people wont ever seriously injure someone.

    SCB ,

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session

    Most people are only non-violent because the violence is socially frowned-upon. When given an acceptable outlet for savagery, humans have no problem being savage.

    This is also how riots form.

    set_secret ,

    Honestly I think you’ll find they’re not aa different as you wish they were. people are as cruel today as they’ve ever been.

    CleoTheWizard ,
    @CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world avatar

    Cruel enough to torture people in public? Get a grip on reality.

    set_secret ,

    What planet/version of reality are you living on/in? This literally still happens in several counties.

    Timecircleline ,

    It’s easy to forget, but we have the same brains as back then. Societal values may have changed, but there will be those with a sick fascination who want to see. When the bath school massacre happened (1920s I think?) People took home souvenirs.

    CleoTheWizard ,
    @CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world avatar

    Nothing suggests to us that the morality of Roman times is capable of existing now. You say “societal values may have changed” but that’s the entire thing. They’ve changed. We have shifted the society to where this kind of public torture would never happen. It can happen again and people are capable, but not unless society shifts.

    And the trends show that while people are divisive, their morals are very closely related. You may not agree on abortion but most people agree we shouldn’t kill prisoners inhumanely.

    People completely misunderstand morality. People are not currently capable of tolerating this kind of thing. If you think so, do a survey and I’ll eat my hat.

    angrystego ,

    Societal values change all the time and not always for the better. Let’s enjoy the values we have now, they might not be present tomorrow.

    Omgpwnies ,

    r/watchpeopledie was popular enough to reach the top of r/all quite regularly before NFSW was filtered from it, and had half a million subscribers. There’s still plenty people in today’s society that would enjoy a medieval style public torture and execution.

    pixeltree ,
    @pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    gestures around at the lack of empathy tons of people are all proud to display

    Goferking0 ,

    points at all the anger when making violent sports safer or pointing out the long term damage cause

    SCB ,

    What Foucalt gets wrong here is that historically, civilians just enjoy it. They don’t find it barbaric or inhumane.

    Like there wouldn’t be some national conversation about “what have we become” - it’ll just be a fun thing people do.

    the_q , in Black, gay Trump supporter brutally taunted with slurs at rightwing conference

    Why in the hell would a gay black man be a Republican?

    cerement ,
    @cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

    too much time downwind of a burn pit?

    Bremmy ,

    My guess as well

    MagicShel ,

    Attention? Self-loathing? Money? There are options. No good ones, but they’re there.

    orclev ,

    Not so much that last one. Nobody that’s not already ridiculously wealthy (like 0.1% wealthy) is going to profit under the GOP, it’s just a question of how far back in the queue you are to get fleeced. All their policies are based around concentrating all the nations wealth into as few hands as possible. It’s why the GOP has such a love affair with Russia of late, they want to emulate Putin and his oligarch minions.

    Holyhandgrenade ,
    @Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world avatar

    The Republican party is just a mafia at this point

    jaybone ,

    They think they will lower taxes and the market will do better. So they save an extra thousand on federal tax and their 401k goes up a bit. Which isn’t true, but that’s what they think.

    orclev ,

    Ah yes, the most quintessential of Republican voter, the moron. Reagan caused so much damage to the US with his trickledown economics fantasy, and the worst part is I’m not even sure he intended to. At least Trump is legitimately a terrible human being that I can feel perfectly justified in hating as the walking pond scum he is.

    DogMuffins ,

    Well he’s a podcaster… and here we are talking about him. I’m certain that his numbers will enjoy a bump.

    TallonMetroid ,
    @TallonMetroid@lemmy.world avatar

    Maybe he’s racist against immigrants? Alternatively, maybe he’s hoping that they’ll care more about him being a fellow rich person (if he is in fact rich) than about his gay blackness (they don’t).

    Drivebyhaiku ,

    Maybe he bought the lie that the ideology that belies Conservative platform isn’t racist (or is an acceptable parameter of racist) or homophobic… Or maybe he just feels like he’s been accepted into the club when he gets cheered on by his Conservative buddies for slaging on trans folk and other POCs because they lift him up as an exception. " Here’s what a “good” gay black guy looks like. See we’re not racist and our platform has merit we got one of them on our side! Buy him a drink! "… This holds up until you get into company that doesn’t have to lie to themselves that they aren’t trying to oppress you and want you to just not be an uncomfortable problem anymore.

    Every genocide has idiots who join the other side in a bid to be a pet for safety and sell out their own communities in hope they will be respectable and safe… It’s a gambit that only proves you’re scum before it gets you get killed.

    JustZ ,
    @JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

    He’s stupid.

    DieguiTux8623 ,

    Or simply masochist…

    wreckedcarzz ,
    @wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

    “don’t call me a n----- or I’ll cum”

    shalafi ,

    Last job, the gay Hispanic receptionist was a Trump man. My Philippina wife was too. Past tense, once I showed her a few things. She had only seen Fox News in her 2-years in America.

    This guy? Fuck is his excuse?!

    Pretzilla ,

    'cuz at least he’s not a woman

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar
    kaitco ,

    He likely bought into the idea of “well, there’s bigots on both sides, but at least the GOP will help me keep more of my money.”

    The problem, however, is that the GOP have doubled down on social issues that shouldn’t really be part of the platform, and in doing so, the GOP have turned away from anything that was remotely useful in them.

    This idea of the “self-made” person and pulling oneself up by one’s bootstraps sounds appealing on paper and can be inviting at first. My grandmother received her Master’s in Nursing at a time when the vast majority of blacks, let alone black women, in a medical field weren’t doing much more than the laundry. It’s easy to be proud of such things and attribute this to conservative ideals of doing “more” out of pure determination and strength of will, and then admonishing those who have neither the drive nor intelligence to do the same.

    And then…there was Trump.

    Under his umbrella, it seemed as if overnight, the party that was about doing for “self” was more about removing options for anyone who wasn’t a straight white Christian and ensuring that the “others” stayed in their place. What could once be ignored with the dismissive of “well, there’s plenty of liberals who are racist too”, was no longer applicable. The Left turned from the racists who pretended to care for show to just the people who’d rather let a few so-called “undeserving” folks get fed, clothed, and housed to ensuring that the hundred who really need help would be able to get it. Meanwhile, the Right continued down the path of being anti-everything; anti-anyone not white, not male, not Christian, and they weren’t even remotely concerned about the deficit or lowering taxes across the board for the people instead of just for major corporations and the top 1% of the 1%.

    I don’t blame this man for having been a gay black Republican at some point, and trying to hold onto what he thought made sense in the past. I do, however, raise an eyebrow at any rational person who has watched the GOP’s descent and yet has still marched with them while they refuse to back away from white nationalism and show approval of outright hatred of all women, and non-Christians, and all people of color, and all those who aren’t cis-heteronormative.

    wildcardology ,

    The only way a gay black man is a republican is because republicans are easy to grift.

    frezik ,

    The usual answer of Log Cabin Republicans is “I like lower taxes”. Not much thought beyond that.

    someguy3 ,

    Must be fiscally conservative and worried about the debt. That’s what they’re focused on right? Right? /s

    Omegamanthethird ,
    @Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

    Maybe they’re one of Hillary’s other mentioned deplorables. Or maybe they’re like the other half that are just disconnected from reality and don’t feel like any of Trump’s shit will impact them (until it does). And to be fair, Democrats have worked hard to make sure people aren’t impacted by the things Trump did.

    root_beer ,

    He doesn’t realize that there’s a quota of “one of the good ones” and it’s already been met

    Illuminostro ,

    Money.

    Oderus ,

    He’s probably just an idiot.

    deegeese , in Target blamed theft and violence for 9 store closures. Crime is higher at locations it kept open nearby

    Those “small format” stores usually had zero staffed checkers and only self checkout.

    Could it be mismanagement that’s to blame? No, let’s blame the poors.

    toiletobserver , in Only 60% of student loan borrowers made payments when bills restarted in the US

    Just tell the banks and government to write it off, which can also be described as payback for bailing out banks in the past on more than one occasion and the beginning of free higher education. Then we can all high five for having done something nice for the country.

    BraveSirZaphod ,
    @BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

    The government made a nominal profit on the bank bailout.

    Early estimates for the bailout's risk cost were as much as $700 billion; however, TARP recovered $441.7 billion from $426.4 billion invested, earning a $15.3 billion profit or an annualized rate of return of 0.6%, and perhaps a loss when adjusted for inflation.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Economic_Stabilization_Act_of_2008

    You can call it an inefficient use of money if you want to account for inflation, but all in all, preventing a complete collapse of the banking industry while not directly losing any money isn't the worst deal in the world, and certainly wasn't the runaway heist by the banks.

    Zorque ,

    So the banks basically paid a .6% interest rate on a $426b loan? I'd say they got the better end of the deal.

    I'd hardly call the safeguarding of an establishment that has, and continues to, provide predatory services to the American people a resounding success. At best its a minor victory of the shareholders of the banks.

    Change is painful. But is quickly painful, like the setting of a broken bone. As it stands we have the aching pain of an improperly healed bone, as these institutions continue to break them unabated. Are we meant to thank them for the privilege?

    I think not. I'd rather we fix the root cause of the problem and see a little short term pain than to maintain the status quo of slower more enduring suffering.

    kwking13 ,

    Except they didn’t fix the root of the problem, they just kicked the can down the road and made big banks even bigger. Some bigger than the Treasury itself. They set up a bigger ticking time bomb for someone else to worry about when they’re gone.

    AllonzeeLV , (edited )

    Yes, by all means, don’t let the banks crash!

    Any more poor kids we can steal school lunches from though?

    Maybe a homeless tent city we can send police in to tear down and fuck with?

    This system is working exactly as intended and should be destroyed for there to be hope for a decent future for most, but lets face it, we’re a bunch of cowards and beaten dogs. So lets sacrifice any and all to keep the banks going!

    Collapse would be painful. This system is pain by design. Generational, increasing pain without end for the people the owners don’t consider people. They feel their ego scores aren’t metastasizing fast enough, they use their levers of power to turn the screws harder. We must protect our beloved society economy!

    TenderfootGungi ,

    And on the Covid loans to businesses?

    greenskye ,

    My problem with the bailout isn’t the fact that they kept banks open, but that they didn’t require the firing and legal prosecution of those who caused the issues

    Copernican ,

    What a weird quote to use for your argument. The quote says it is a loss when adjusted for inflation. That is not a profit in any meaningful sense. When money is leant with interest below the inflation rate that is not making profit.

    Chriswild ,

    Plus a return rate of .6% is awful. The same banks would demand at least 5%

    June , in Panera founder says employees today aren't motivated by the idea of making money for shareholders: 'Nobody cares'

    Yea. This headline is rage bait trash.

    drislands ,

    Christ, you aren’t kidding. The article is clear that he is saying it’s too easy for higher ups to forget that employees don’t have an investment in the success of the company overall, and that they need to try to empathize with their employees more.

    Except it dances around it and has this idiotic title. Fucking trash website.

    Sharpiemarker ,

    It’s Business Insider; if they’re not pushing a shitty agenda they’re not doing their job. Same with Forbes.

    SCB ,

    The fun thing about articles like this is skimming the comments and seeing just how many people absolutely will not read articles under any circumstances.

    June ,

    I love the ones replying to people that did read the article asking for more details about the article. Those are my favorite.

    Ghyste ,

    Business insider is trash. Garbage reporting.

    Pistcow , in Andre Braugher, Emmy-winning actor who starred in 'Homicide' and 'Brooklyn Nine-Nine,' dies at 61

    “You know me. I see a pair of thick, weighty breasts, and all logic flies out the window.”

    Bonesince1997 ,

    Lol. Those over the top lines used while he was undercover trying to pretend to be heterosexual were always hilarious.

    Sowhatever ,

    “There’s nothing more intoxicating than the clear absence of a penis.”

    tugomer , in Texas attorney general says he will sue doctor who gives abortion to Kate Cox

    Fuck that guy. I hope his dick falls off

    Szymon ,

    Won’t someone rid us of this meddlesome clown’s penis?

    jeffw ,
    @jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

    If karma were real, it’d be long gone

    babypigeon ,

    Maybe it’s already gone, and that’s why he’s so angry.

    toomanypancakes ,
    @toomanypancakes@lemmy.world avatar

    I didn’t get nearly so angry when I cut my dick off, I think he’s just hateful

    Th4tGuyII , in Bill Gates thinks of himself as 'very nice' compared to Elon Musk and Steve Jobs
    @Th4tGuyII@kbin.social avatar

    When you've spent literally decades trying to bury your past self with philanthropic acts and good PR, it becomes quite easy for people to think you're at least nicer than the steaming turd in a dumpster fire that is Elon Musk.

    Gates may be nice compared to some of his billionaire compatriots, but understand that's a very low bar to pass.

    Diplomjodler ,

    Hey, that’s not a nice thing to say about turds.

    Honytawk ,

    Yes, that is exactly it.

    From a human standpoint, he is still a shit human.

    But from a billionaire standpoint, he is at least somewhat human.

    At least now, not so much in the past.

    FlyingSquid , in Elon Musk considers reinstating Alex Jones' X account, backtracking on prior decision
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    “My firstborn child died in my arms,” Musk wrote in another post. “I felt his last heartbeat. I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame.”

    But after a waiting period…

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    ArugulaZ ,

    “He was declared brain-dead,” Justine Musk wrote.

    Elon Musk, you ARE the father!

    ringwraithfish ,

    Gotta drive up that traffic and revenue somehow. He’s done sold his soul a long time ago, nothing to lose at this point.

    akilou ,

    Is that story even true?

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Who knows if anything he says is true.

    girlfreddy , in Judge: Amazon “cannot claim shock” that bathroom spycams were used as advertised

    Tech legal expert Eric Goldman wrote that a victory for the plaintiff could be considered “a dangerous ruling for the spy cam industry and for Amazon,” because “the court’s analysis could indicate that all surreptitious hook cameras are categorically illegal to sell.” That could prevent completely legal uses of cameras designed to look like clothes hooks, Goldman wrote, such as hypothetical in-home surveillance uses.

    In what reality is there any need for a door-hook camera except to spy on someone who has not given consent???

    Jayzuz. That was some poor mind gymnastics right there.

    kitedemon ,

    I feel like this quote was intended to be sarcastic, but idk, Poe’s law after all.

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    Hypothetically….

    … yeah I got nothing.

    Nawor3565 ,

    Maybe if it was designed to look like a book or something, you could argue it has legitimate uses for home surveillance. But towel hooks are almost exclusively found in bathrooms.

    Now, maybe I’m making assumptions here, but I don’t think most people keep valuables in their bathrooms, so that leaves exactly one use case this could have, and it’s not home protection.

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    precisely. there’s no legitimate/legal use case for this.

    FaceDeer ,
    @FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

    As a counterpoint, I have clothes hooks in my front foyer. So that's one place that it would make a lot of sense to use one of these.

    I still don't see why I'd want to hide a camera in something that's explicitly designed to have clothing draped over it, though. Seems like there are better things in my foyer to disguise a camera in.

    kool_newt ,

    nope. spy = no consent

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    For what little it’s worth… consent is not needed if there’s no expectation of privacy… if your visiting somebody else’s house… Bathrooms- yes, bedrooms (where you’re sleeping,) yes…

    But a hidden camera in, say, the hallway outside, is perfectly legal. Now if the person is a resident (or, like Airbnb,) they have much higher expectations of privacy.

    Also… I would suggest that cameras inside residences generally serve no real purpose at all- and are almost universally employed by creeps. (Exception being apartment entryways… if peephole cameras on the apartment door are not allowed.)

    kool_newt ,

    But a hidden camera in, say, the hallway outside, is perfectly legal

    What if it is positioned to take upskirt photos? I can’t be expected to wear underwear at all times.

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    the camera’s position isn’t itself illegal… and they don’t have to ask for consent for it to be recording. at least, not in the US.

    now, that doesn’t mean they’re not breaking other laws- and that’s really going to come down on jurisdiction. ultimately, it’s likely going to come down to what happens with those recordings; and if there’s laws specifically against taking such images/recordings in the first place; and if your state considers that act breaking normal expectations of privacy.

    definitely not saying it’s right- its wrong and creepy- but private property owners have never had to inform people that there were cameras recording… all those “CCTV” warning signs weren’t about consent. It was a foolishly misguided system of deterring shoplifting… a hyper-passive-aggressive “WE’RE WATCHING YOU!!!” that actually informed the would-be thieves… they’re not actually… watching…

    surewhynotlem ,

    Watching the babysitter if you think she’s abusing your kids.

    Monitoring your office if you’re a politician afraid of poisoning.

    Making an OnlyFans of Grandma pooping.

    Lots of legitimate uses if you’re creative enough.

    victron ,
    @victron@programming.dev avatar

    You had me in the first half, not gonna lie.

    surewhynotlem ,

    What? Grandma consented! It’s her kink.

    girlfreddy ,

    Watching the babysitter if you think she’s abusing your kids. In the bathroom? Cause that’s where towel hooks are.

    Monitoring your office if you’re a politician afraid of poisoning. See above

    surewhynotlem ,

    My jokes aside, I absolutely have towel hooks in non bathrooms. It’s turns out there also capable of holding jackets and other things, despite the name.

    FaceDeer ,
    @FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

    And also, the bathroom seems like a prime location for a child abuser to corner a victim.

    Huh. I'm actually swinging very slightly back toward Amazon's side on this. Only very slightly, though. This is a tricky case.

    MaximumPower ,

    If you think the baby sitter is abusing your kid, your a moron, why even hire him/her.

    And now you are also recording the babysitter going to the bathroom.

    Gamoc ,

    Yeah but what am I going to do with all my coat hooks? Hang towels on them!?

    OrteilGenou ,

    Are you some kind of anarchist?

    NOT_RICK ,
    @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

    Couldn’t that as easily be a coat hanger or something to hang your keys or bag on? A hook is a hook.

    girlfreddy ,

    And why could that hallway not be covered by a regular security cam instead?

    NOT_RICK ,
    @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

    Valid point

    reverendsteveii ,

    but once you advertise it as a surreptitious towel hook and show pictures of it being used as a surreptitious towel hook, it becomes not just any kind of hook. one of the use cases proposed by the manufacturer has become manufacturing illegal pornography by setting up a hidden cam in the bathroom.

    Fedizen ,

    they advertised it as a towel hook AND if they used it to hang hats or whatever it could block the camera. I think its fair to say this is a very creepy camera.

    OrteilGenou ,

    And what about grandma’s onlyfans? Checkmate

    Kyatto ,
    @Kyatto@leminal.space avatar

    Deterrence is always preferable. Clear monitoring may stop crimes in addition to capturing wanton disregard. A disguised bathroom cam is clearly designed to capture illegal footage. It isn’t a deterrent to crime, it’s a tool to commit it. Spy cams in general are sleazy and disgusting.

    Even a nanny cam, despite the clearly just intentions, allow a crime to happen more so than clear security cameras and can be used for less lawful things due to their design.

    surewhynotlem ,

    latimes.com/…/irvine-man-hidden-camera-wife-drano…

    Deterrence stops people from doing bad things in front of the camera. Useful if you have physical choke points that funnel people to the camera itself of course. But if you put up an obvious nanny cam in one room, all you guarantee is that the abuse happens in another.

    squaresinger ,

    It’s for when someone breaks into your bathroom.

    Neato ,
    @Neato@kbin.social avatar

    A regular security cam would be fine. Most spy cams aren't going to alert anything. They just record.

    dirtypirate ,

    In what reality is there any need for a door-hook camera

    maybe for when the police illegally raid, eat your lemon pound cake, steal your money and fuck up your visible cameras?

    just because YOU can't think of any use other than creepy doesn't mean the rest of us are so afflicted.

    ComicalMayhem ,

    For anyone not in the know, Afroman, famous for the songs Crazy Rap (Colt 45) and Because I got High had his house raided by police. He got most of the raid on film and made the video into a music video.

    EpeeGnome ,

    None of the police actually ate Afroman’s lemon pound cake, just one stared longingly at it for an awkwardly long amount of time, lol. Let’s not muddy the waters by accusing those police of something they didn’t do, and focus on the blatantly provable (lack of real probable cause, intentionally sabotaging his cameras) and the alleged but highly plausible (“miscounting” some of his cash into their own pockets).

    Poggervania ,
    @Poggervania@kbin.social avatar

    He could’ve used literally any other example, but of course he chose the creepy one. Could’ve stood on the stance that businesses would need them for shoplifting ffs.

    You999 ,

    Except any place where it would make sense to place one within a business would be illegal. You are not allowed to place cameras hidden or not in places where one could have an expectation of privacy.

    Omgpwnies ,

    Not only that, anywhere that a business is allowed to use cameras, they would want to have big, obvious cameras to try to prevent shoplifting.

    SuckMyWang ,

    The fucked up part is there’s a whole industry for this

    NutWrench , in New Legislation Proposes to Take Wall Street Out of the Housing Market
    @NutWrench@lemmy.ml avatar

    Looking at companies like Blackstone, who buy up houses at auction, lightly flip them and put them back on the market as high-priced rentals. THEY’RE the big reason for the lack of affordable housing.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    I mean, would it be better if we had a thousand mid-sized car dealership style house flippers rather than one singular monolith doing the same thing?

    Blackstone agents are operating at a national scale in a market that’s been flush with speculators and flippers going straight back to the colonial era. The high price of real estate is the consequence of housing as a commodity. There’s no more free land to develop on the cheap and no more suburbs for young people to push out into searching for cheap new constructions. Take everyone at Blackstone out of the market tomorrow and you’ll have a hundred smaller banks lining up to repeat their formula by the end of the month.

    So long as cash is cheap, housing is in demand, and REITs are a thing, you’re going to have businesses looking to profit off the difference between sale rates and rental rates as well as the gap between the prime rate and the going mortgage rate.

    Arbiter ,

    Well said, people think that making certain companies go poof will suddenly resolve issues for a long time, without thinking about resource availability, the circumstances which led to the sutuation and the customers who enable them.

    Maggoty ,

    Which is the exact reason the government is supposed to step in when there’s this kind of excess in the sector. Especially regarding a need like housing.

    Maggoty ,

    Yes it would be better. Monopolies are bad. Near monopolies are bad. The more market power a company gains the more they can charge for no reason at all except “fuck you pay me”.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Monopolies are bad.

    Cartels are equally bad. Unless you change the economic incentives in home building and real estate speculation, you are - at best - changing the discrete number of people who get to participate in the profiteering. I don’t particularly care if one national guy or fifty state guys get to ratchet up my housing prices. Big Number Goes Up all the same.

    Maggoty ,

    Absolutely. Especially since we just caught them colluding to raise the market price.

    DrMango ,

    There WOULD be more suburbs to develop if we were allowed to work remotely. I would gladly move to the developing suburb of bumfuck-nowheresville if I could go there and keep my job, but I have to stay within a reasonable commuting distance of the nearest metropolis.

    WheeGeetheCat ,
    @WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Did you just scoff at the idea of competition improving a market?

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    One big monopoly looks no different to the consumer than a cartel of mid-sized dealerships. You’re not fixing the underlying speculative demand issue, just changing the number of participants in the speculative racket.

    Wutangforemer ,

    The solution is to make hoarding rental properties an unattractive investment. Put an escalating tax on owning multiple residences. If the 5th property is at 40% tax every year it’s no longer a money maker in a competitive market. Put the money towards tax rebates for single mortgage interest. Now you have buyers back in the market and landlords looking to sell.

    calypsopub ,

    Excellent suggestion. I don’t mind people having a second home or a couple of rentals, but more than that is just greed.

    postmateDumbass ,

    Home 1 : 100%

    Home2 : 133%

    Home 3: 175%

    Home 4: 250%

    Home 5: 325%

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Put the money towards tax rebates for single mortgage interest.

    Or just use it to construct new multi-family units that are sold at cost of construction.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Monopolies are bad.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    So are cartels.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    So why are you advocating for one?

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    For the same reasons you are, i guess.

    postmateDumbass ,

    So preying on the victims of the growing wealth innequality and income gap. That will surely accelerate the decline of civilization.

    Bonskreeskreeskree , (edited )

    Remember that Blackstone and the other institutions are only financing it. These companies have names; like American Homes/AMH, invitation, opendoor and so on. There are a lot of them and they are all given billions to go buy as many houses as they can get their hands on… essentially bottomless pockets. And those are just the large ones. There’s plenty of people churning 100s of homes and letting property management companies do all the work, financing new deals with existing rentals as leverage.

    doctorcrimson ,

    Something like 6% of US Homes are owned by Chinese Investors. More than 1 in 20 homes.

    Stamets , in Biden ‘not sure he’d be running’ in 2024 if Trump wasn’t: ‘We cannot let him win’
    @Stamets@startrek.website avatar

    The fact that people look at Biden and go “Yeah but he sucks!” when you have an opponent literally saying he is attacking American democracy and wants to be a dictator on day one.

    A wave of lava lapping at you’re feet and y’all are worried that the raft trying to save you is a lil old. Motherfucker it is your only option.

    Shellbeach ,

    Yeah trump is old too, but if he dies, nobody cares. If Biden does though, all we have left is Harris to protect us from Johnson.

    Stamets ,
    @Stamets@startrek.website avatar

    Cool.

    HE IS STILL YOUR ONLY OPTION.

    I’m not pretending like I respect anyone anymore who isnt voting for biden. Does it suck that this situation happened? Yep. But it happened from decades of Americans not giving a fuck. You don’t get to whine now when it matters more than anything else.

    Goferking0 ,

    Yes that’s the issue and what we’re upset by. All the dnc is doing is running an unpopular candidate. That’s their entire MO

    CoggyMcFee ,

    The candidate who is currently president after winning the election in which he earned the popular vote? That unpopular candidate?

    Shellbeach ,

    I’m not denying it and I, for one, am happilly voting for Biden. I’m emphasizing the reason why him being old is scary.

    Ensign_Crab ,

    No. You said something that indicates anything other than utter orgasmic delight at the prospect of Biden being the best the party will ever be willing to do. That means you’re a trumpist.

    Rusticus ,

    Biden’s presidency has been the best for progressives in 50 years. The outrage about Biden is laughable.

    NOT_RICK ,
    @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

    You do know if Biden died a new vice president would then be appointed, right? I could see congress trying to hold that up but I think the Republicans would face an uphill battle, and that’s only presuming they don’t lose their house majority like they did in 2020.

    RickyRigatoni ,
    @RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

    Either we vote for the guy who wants to murder innocent americans or we vote for the guy who wants to murder innocent non-americans like the last twenty presidents.

    Wirlocke ,

    Absolutely ridiculous to think Trump wouldn’t kill non-americans.

    The choice is genocide overseas, or tyranny here and genocide overseas.

    It fucking sucks, but the GOP needs to be dismantled before we can bargain for better options.

    RickyRigatoni ,
    @RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

    I don’t think trump wouldn’t kill non-americans I just figured it was a given and wouldn’t need to be mentioned.

    Wirlocke ,

    Your original comment implied that you’re choosing one kind of death or the other, the fact is Trump will cause more suffering and to handwave it to be the same as Biden is dangerous.

    fathog ,

    I’m voting for the geezer in 2024, but let’s be real - Dems will never give us a better option. Biden is genuinely a pretty good president comparatively (imo), but real change will not come from either mainstream party. Don’t forget what they did to Bernie in 2020, or why Buttigieg is the Secretary of Transportation. (They’re the same)

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