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Son_of_dad , in U.S. bans noncompete agreements for nearly all jobs

I remember my last job had a Non compete. I was a handy man. Non competes for NBA players and wealthy CEOs, fine. But non compete for just regular people doing regular jobs is crazy. Once I leave my current job, my ex employer should have no say in where I work afterwards.

OutsizedWalrus ,

And if your employer doesn’t want you working elsewhere, they should put you on garden leave.

Kid_Thunder ,

That's just so they can treat you like crap and under pay you, so that you can't just go be a handy many somewhere else. If you lived in California it would have already been unenforceable anyway though.

girlfreddy ,
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Canadian here. I had one for working in a call centre ffs. And afaik we don’t have laws against it. :(

nepenthes ,
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My understanding is that they aren’t enforceable. Also, Ontario has a ban since 2021.

Imgonnatrythis ,

Why is good for athletes and ceos? And is that the specific line that you would draw? NC seems like it benefits corporations and organizations but almost never individuals. Seems better to eliminate all together to me.

Son_of_dad ,

It’s fine for them because they’re being paid tens and hundreds of millions. And they can easily reject the contract and not sign. Don’t act like a cleaning lady and an NBA player are in the same boat

Imgonnatrythis ,

“It’s fine for them” isn’t a reason to keep something in place. That will just allow it to creep closer and closer to the cleaning lady (I don’t think many cleaning ladies are signing non competes though - this is not a representative example). Non competes are typically for higher level talent, the line between it specialist, physicians, minor league athletes and ceos and NBA players starts to blur. There is no good argument to keep these.

uis ,

Non competes for NBA players

This sounds so stupid. Big sport is dead. Go play chess.

Son_of_dad ,

Huh? What are you even getting offended at? Are you just seeking out things to be mad at?

uis ,

Offended? Why? Just saying that if this is true, then “big sport” is more broken than I imagined. And that chess is good sport that does not have such bullshit.

AA5B ,

Executives make some sense because they made deciding the direction of companies, and can take “unfair advantage”.

Athletes, no. They bring mostly their own talent and effort, and that’s also what they bring to a new team. They are only employable by doing the same thing for someone else, and likely in the same league: literally competing . Non-competes don’t make any more sense for athletes than they do for baristas

bradv , in U.S. likely to enact a law soon that could ban TikTok nationwide, President Joe Biden vowed to sign it into law

Since when does Congress ban websites or dictate what apps people can have on their devices? Regardless of how you feel about this particular company, I feel like no one is talking about the internet-killing precedent that’s being set here, and that should be concerning.

uberdroog ,
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It’s being used as an infiltration device by the Chinese government. Not that I agree butvits not just a website. Same as Twitter and Facebook bit we have more control over those.

SaltySalamander ,

It's being used as an infiltration device by the Chinese government

Please prove this.

kboy101222 ,

Spoiler: they can’t

Aceticon ,

The heard it from a professional liar - aka politician - so it must be true.

velitedi ,

There’s obviously not going to be proof, it’d be huge news if there were. At the same time, I also wonder why people so adamantly defensive of TikTok in particular? It seems trivial enough to establish that they could exert an undue influence on a global audience through social media with just a few (I would think uncontroversial) assumptions

  1. Social platforms have more than enough information to create a good idea of your politics, personality, and interests
  2. Platforms such as TikTok operate on “pushing” content the algorithm wants instead of users “pulling” content they want to see
  3. You are not immune to propaganda. Nobody is.

With a state ownership stake in the picture, it creates a pretty uneasy tension, right? If they know (1), they could just push ads and content which would help prime you emotionally and mentally to receive that advertising via mechanism (2). This is their actual business model.

Alternatively, if so motivated, they could just as easily use that same profile and mechanism to push content which nudges the content consumer in any myriad ways (politically, socially, etc.). Start with something that’s “close” to the viewer’s existing views, and cumulatively keep pushing content which leads folks down pipelines. They don’t even need to make the content. The users create it; the sentiment, quality, and popularity data informs which shorts to push where; refine the model based on receptivity; repeat as necessary.

Given (3), especially at the scale we’re talking about with TikTok, I think it’s obviously possible that the platform could be used to meaningfully influence public opinion, sow discord, spread misinformation, whatever. Whether they actually do this is purely speculative, but I also have a hard time thinking people would be quite so enthusiastically defensive of a similar social platform under direct influence from their own government?

WanderingVentra ,

I’m pretty sure an American company already reviews all their code - Oracle, iirc. They already did this after people complained last time. The CEO isn’t even Chinese.

Sl00k ,

Platforms such as TikTok operate on “pushing” content the algorithm wants instead of users “pulling” content they want to see

This is just outright wrong, like hilariously wrong and if you used the platform for more than 10 minutes you’d see that. Tiktok is the ONLY social media that feeds me content I want to see as accurately and often as I want. It will even adjust the videos I see within the same 30 minute session to feed me more of what I’m favoring within that 30 minute session.

There is not any other single social media that does this.

velitedi ,

Please don’t take my post as a claim that the algorithm isn’t absolutely amazing at what it does. All I’m saying is that it is, by nature, pushing you content rather than serving you content which you actively seek out. I don’t believe the things we’re claiming are mutually exclusive here.

grue ,

Same as Twitter and Facebook bit we have more control over those.

Only in the sense that the people using them to manipulate us are the same ones making the laws. They’re leveraging it for their own ends, not stopping it.

The correct course of action (from the perspective of the American people, in stark contrast to that of the American government/oligarchy) would be to ban TikTok as the threat it is, and also ban Facebook, Twitter and Reddit for the threats they pose as well. The trouble is that it won’t, because it is the entity wielding that weapon against the American people and will not voluntarily disarm itself.

RGB3x3 ,

Banning them is the exact wrong way to go about the problem. That just gives the government the power to ban apps that contain information that doesn’t fit the narrative the government wants to put out. It gives them control over the consumer.

What should happen is comprehensive privacy protections for consumers and extensive fines when companies don’t abide by them. That way, the consumer benefits and the government has more oversight over companies, not people.

grue ,

The way I see it, the problem is centralized social media with opaque engagement and content-boosting algorithms. Think of it not as the government banning apps with content it doesn’t like but instead as enforcing anti-trust law.

Maggoty ,

To be fair they didn’t actually name TikTok. That would be clearly Unconstitutional. Instead they made a bill that will only apply to one company. So unconstitutional but most people won’t notice.

And even better Meta, Alphabet, Apple, and GM are all busy selling China your information as fast as they can anyways.

Ioughttamow , in Trump supporters gather outside courthouse and ask: Who among us hasn’t paid for sex?

This, isn’t the onion?

FiniteBanjo ,

I had the same reaction last week when a bunch of GOP reps starting speaking in tongues on the floor.

harrys_balzac ,

That made my physically ill when I read about it. That’s some serious theatrics and/or mental illness.

CileTheSane ,
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Satire is dead, reality killed it.

echodot ,

Most countries remove their moron politicians. The United States just allows them to remain president until the end of term.

CileTheSane ,
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3rd world countries like the US have all sorts of backwards politics.

natural_motions , in Ukraine was in trouble already — now it openly admits it's on track to lose

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  • partial_accumen ,

    The population of Ukraine is 38 million people. Putin would march every damn one of those Ukrainian civilians in as meat waves invading other countries and not care one damn.

    capem ,

    To be fair, Zelensky is doing the same thing with them right now.

    partial_accumen ,

    Reminding me, which country are you claiming Zelensky invading again?

    Quacksalber , (edited )

    Also, just because Ukraine loses the traditional war, doesn’t mean that the fighting will stop.
    Also also, what greater threat to european peace and stability is there than a bunch of former allies, who are battle-hardened, traumatized, right next to EU borders and are feeling betrayed by their ‘western partners’?
    A russia-funded network of right-wing parties, aimed at breaking up the european union, recently invigorated by their success of stopping a unified response to russia’s invasion.

    msage ,

    Fuck, why did you have to write it down so eloquently? Hungary is lost, Slovakia is lost, who is going to be next? Can Poland hold them off?

    cybersandwich ,

    Any country not in NATO is at risk. Russia wouldn’t invade a NATO country. They’d get shit stomped and honestly probably have to resort to a nuclear weapon.

    I think the West would cut the head off the snake pretty quickly if Russia invaded a NATO country though.

    psycho_driver ,

    I think the West would cut the head off the snake pretty quickly if Russia invaded a NATO country though.

    Not if Trump wins.

    Dark_Arc ,
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    NATO isn’t just the US, but it would be a significant blow to NATO’s strength if the US military stood down.

    msage ,

    Not at risk of being invaded directly, but their governments are run by pro-russia madmen who will do everything to stay in power.

    Dark_Arc ,
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    Also also, what greater threat to european peace and stability is there than a bunch of former allies, who are battle-hardened, traumatized, right next to EU borders and are feeling betrayed by their ‘western partners’?

    Assuming you’re talking about the Ukrainian people in some kind of Guerilla warfare, I think they’d be more likely to focus their efforts on Russia (the ones that actually did the attacking, raping, and bombing) vs the west that just “didn’t do enough”

    ghostdoggtv ,

    Credibility? I just would rather not have to fight a land war in Europe after letting Russia finish its genocide of Ukraine

    JohnDClay ,

    See reporting from Ukraine for example

    JesusSon , in Trump rebuked as hush-money trial judge warns against juror intimidation
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    Oh no another warning, I bet he is crying spray tan all over his my pillow tonight boy I tell ya.

    Orbituary , (edited )
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    Yeah, but this is day two of a criminal procedure. To date, Trump has only FAFO’d on civil trials. Shit’s about to get real different if he plays around in the same way.

    This shit has actual consequences.

    0110010001100010 ,
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    Press (x) to doubt

    Wake me up when he faces actual consequences

    JesusSon ,
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    You should probably set an alarm if you have shit to do.

    jkrtn ,

    “Alexa, set an alarm for ‘fucking never.’”

    corsicanguppy ,

    the cheering will get you up when it happens.

    EdibleFriend ,
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    People have been saying shit like this since before he was elected.

    Tobberone ,

    A warning and belittlement. “Talk to your client”. The godfather wasn’t addressed.

    zeppo , in Elon Musk’s X botched an attempt to replace “twitter.com” links with “x.com”
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    It’s amazing that not only did they fuck up the regex, but only changed how the link was displayed and not where it linked to. And somehow their org is fucked up enough that someone not only wrote this incompetent code but it went into production.

    odin ,
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    Any talent Twitter once had jumped ship a long time ago

    FlyingSquid ,
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    I’m sure plenty of H1B visa talent is still there, terrified to do anything that Musk doesn’t explicitly order them to do, thus resulting in the same sort of fuckups that would result if they weren’t there. So I guess at least Twitter is stopping foreign people from having to go back to an impoverished life in Goa or wherever.

    zeppo ,
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    Marginalized non-white people working for him while afraid of the consequences of quitting or disagreeing must take him back to his childhood.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Is it amazing? I think it’s virtually expected.

    fsr1967 ,

    It’s amazing that not only did they fuck up the regex regetwitter, .

    FTFY

    dust_accelerator ,

    That’s because apparently nobody is around to know you can’t pɐɹsǝ 卄ㄒ爪ㄥ ɥʇıʍ Ṝ̷̟̿e̸̗̙̻̍̊̆͝g̷̺̠̦͍̭̜̬̩̎̃Ë̵̛͍̮̥͇͎͎̤͐͂̉̂͜x̸̧̙̎̇͊̈́͐̏͑̒͘

    WindyRebel ,

    Wait, they just did a text replacement and didn’t change the anchor links? I tried x dot com and it redirects to twitter, so even if they changed the links, too, it would just send them back to twitter.

    (laughs in SEO) You fools!

    If they really wanted X to happen they’d do a full site migration using 301, or 308, redirects of twitter to x.

    Do they just not have the resources to do this or what the hell is stopping them from doing it the correct way if that’s what they want? Doesn’t Musk own the x domain?

    WhatAmLemmy ,

    It was evident a year ago that Musk fired or drove away all their skilled, competent engineers.

    They can’t do it the right way because a) they don’t know how b) nobody understands most of their existing services, and c) Musk is guaranteed to step in and fuck everything up.

    zeppo ,
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    Just optics, I guess? Probably some urgent drug-induced decree from Elron. They still have tons of references to Twitter in various parts of the site. The transition to the ‘x’ domain (which yes, Musk has owned since 1999) was rushed, hasty, and poorly done, not to mention incredibly stupid from a business perspective.

    ImADifferentBird ,
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    My understanding is, Musk fired all the developers who actually understood how Twitter works, and now they don’t know how to manage that migration without breaking the site.

    funkless_eck ,

    armchair developer here, but it wouldn’t be that hard, right? Isn’t it just a single line at the very root of the domain in .htaccess - or whatever equivalent if there’s a different stack

    WindyRebel ,

    I’ve never done the actual implementation myself, honestly. Redirects can be done via .htaccess (or equivalent), server side, or JavaScript.

    Theoretically, yes, it’s that easy. However, pages should have 1:1 redirects for each page URL that matters. Then a strategy to prune the ones no longer needed/outdated by allowing them to 404, redirect to the most relevant subfolder, or just send to the main domain should be considered.

    The list can be quite long. There’s more to it than all this as well, but that’s the general gist.

    funkless_eck ,

    yeah I assumed everything stayed the same except domain - and if best practices are maintained then everything should have relative urls anyway…

    quindraco ,

    You have it exactly backwards. They only changed where the links went, not how they were displayed. That’s why it’s such a phishing concern.

    zeppo ,
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    Nope, why would someone register carfatwitter.com if that was the case?

    quindraco ,

    You could read the article, it explains it.

    zeppo ,
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    Are you serious?

    As of April 8, 2024, the iOS Twitter (now X) client automatically replaces the text “twitter.com” in posts with “x.com” as part of its functionality. Therefore, for example, a URL that appears to be “netflix.com” will actually redirect to “netflitwitter.com” when clicked.

    As another X user (@Arcticstar0) pointed out, “the actual link is unchanged. It’s just the text placeholder that appears different. So the link goes to a different url than it appears.”

    It could work the way you’re describing with the same effect, but that’s not what’s being described.

    quindraco ,

    Quoting your quote, now with emphasis:

    a URL that appears to be “netflix.com” will actually redirect to “netflitwitter.com” when clicked

    So, as I said, the link text you see appears unchanged, but where it goes is changed. That’s why it’s a phishing concern.

    zeppo ,
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    No, apparently what happens is people post netflitwitter.com, linking to netfltwitter.com, and the X app changes the visible link text to netflix.com but not the link target.

    The way you’re describing it is the reverse, like people post netflix.com and the link is changed to netflitwitter.com. That’s not what they’re doing. Or, if it was that people posted netflitwitter.com and it linked to netflix.com, how would that be a problem?

    quindraco ,

    No. If the link was left pristine, phishing would be impossible, because the original links we’re discussing went to genuine sites and the displayed link would be obviously garbage.

    The whole problem is that people are linking to netflitwitter with a display of netflitwitter, then the regex changes the link target, so you see the original, sane address, click on it, and get deceived into going to a target the regex fabricated.

    zeppo , (edited )
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    That COULD be what happened, and it would have a similar effect, but it wasn’t what happened. If you read information about this that becomes apparent. They didn’t change the link target, they changed the link text only.

    Someone registers spacetwitter.com and sets up an adversarial site. They then make an “X” post mentioning spacetwitter.com. The app creates a link to spacetwitter.com but changes the text to say spacex.com.

    Please read this: krebsonsecurity.com/…/twitters-clumsy-pivot-to-x-…

    On April 9, Twitter/X began automatically modifying links that mention “twitter.com” to read “x.com” instead. But over the past 48 hours, dozens of new domain names have been registered that demonstrate how this change could be used to craft convincing phishing links — such as fedetwitter[.]com, which until very recently rendered as fedex.com in tweets.

    Notice how it says modifying links that mention “twitter.com” to read “x.com” instead.

    EdibleFriend , in O.J. Simpson, former football star acquitted of murder, dies at 76.
    @EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

    This just makes me miiss Norm McDonald

    The_Picard_Maneuver , (edited )
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    Albbi ,

    Your montage is just a link to youtube. Well played?

    EdibleFriend ,
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    He sent you to YouTube. What, you need him to find the video for you too? Lazy ass millennials.

    CosmicCleric ,
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    He sent you to YouTube. What, you need him to find the video for you too? Lazy ass millennials.

    Seriously? I don’t think it’s too far out of the norm to expect a link to point to an actual video, and not just the website.

    TheTetrapod ,

    c/whoosh

    ripcord ,
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    They were joking

    CosmicCleric ,
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    I wondered, but I didn’t see the /s, so… /shrug

    Also, I’ve literally heard Boomers say “Lazy ass Millennials” before, and mean it. /shrugagain

    WoahWoah ,

    I know millennials that are grandparents. I think you should be able to figure it out, shrug-bro.

    CosmicCleric ,
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    I think you should be able to figure it out, shrug-bro.

    Maybe. It was so ambiguous though, it really could have gone either way, so I chose a side.

    Oh, and, /shrug

    EdibleFriend ,
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    You…still find it ambiguous even after it’s pointed out. I’m even more impressed.

    CosmicCleric , (edited )
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    No, just disagreeing with your assumption that I should have recognized it as such beforehand.

    lemmy.world/comment/9273657

    … from …

    lemmy.world/comment/9273657

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  • CosmicCleric ,
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    you’re trying to shame me for being ableist

    No.

    EdibleFriend ,
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    Just out of curiosity then… do you have a point in posting that link? Are you trying to say you think I’m just a troll? You’re not really explaining yourself well which… Well… makes sense.

    Edit- also… You posted the exact same link twice as if they were different things? Was that like… Artistic expression?

    CosmicCleric ,
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    You posted the exact same link twice as if they were different things? Was that like… Artistic expression?

    No I copy and pasted the link that’s the little chain symbol next to the comments. I’m assuming those links point directly to the individual comment that the links appears next to.

    EdibleFriend ,
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    Swing and a miss pal.

    CosmicCleric ,
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    Not trying to win an Internet argument.

    EdibleFriend ,
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    No… You’re just going out of your way to start one and then for some strange reason spamming the same link without elaborating why.

    CosmicCleric ,
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    I stand by what I’ve said. Have a good day.

    CosmicCleric , (edited )
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    Just out of curiosity then… do you have a point in posting that link? Are you trying to say you think I’m just a troll? You’re not really explaining yourself well which… Well… makes sense.

    Dude, to be frank, you’re very upset, and you’re being rude, and its not worth having a conversation with you right now.

    For what it’s worth, I wasn’t attacking you at all for anything, I only thing I was trying to do was defend the fact that the original comment was ambiguitous and could have been satire or literal/real, because people were giving me a hard time for not detecting the satire.

    My comments are straightforward, and I stand by what I’ve said in them, and nothing more than that.

    EdibleFriend ,
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    Still doubling down on claiming it was ambiguous. You can just admit you missed an extremely extremely obvious joke and then got lippy about it. And then for some reason decided to link some post. Twice.

    What it really boils down to is… If you don’t like people talking to you like this… Don’t go through life being lippy.

    CosmicCleric ,
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    I stand by what I’ve said. Have a good day.

    EdibleFriend ,
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    I didn’t put an /s because I honestly never believed someone would be dumb enough to think that was a serious post.

    I’m honestly impressed.

    corsicanguppy ,

    I think it was just one guy joking.

    ripcord ,
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    Might not have been a guy

    The_Picard_Maneuver ,
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    Omg, fixed! Sorry. I meant to delete the timestamp part that was added to the URL, but absentmindedly removed too much…

    Patches , (edited )

    He knew he would be fired if he didn’t stop. He didn’t stop. That absolute legend.

    ripcord ,
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    How many of the weekend update jokes did he write? I assumed they mostly came from the writer’s room (and that he may or not be there, but it at least wouldn’t be all or maybe even mostly him)

    The_Picard_Maneuver ,
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    He had writers too, but he was largely in charge of Weekend Update, I believe. There are some good interviews with Jim Downey, who worked closely with him.

    Here he is on Conan’s podcast: youtu.be/OPjqzMl2VX8

    ripcord ,
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    Nice, thanks for that link!

    dependencyinjection ,

    What’s the deal with all the norm comments? I’m unsure what the correlation is.

    EdibleFriend ,
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    He famously talked about OJ being a murder till they fired him from SNL for it.

    dependencyinjection ,

    Thanks friend.

    FlyingSquid , in Missouri executes Brian Dorsey for 2006 double murder after mercy bid backed by 72 correctional officers
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    This is what happens when you give the state the power of life and death over its citizens. Even the people who make up the low levels of power in the state have no actual voice when it comes to the state committing legally-sanctioned murder.

    seSvxR3ull7LHaEZFIjM ,

    The actual argument on the death penalty - no matter if morally right or wrong, guilty or innocient, I sure as hell don’t want the state to decide!

    SuckMyWang ,

    A lot of these people believe in god too apparently. They must have such little faith in an afterlife. If you actually believed god will judge evil people with eternal punishment what’s the rush? Let god, the all seeing all knowing judge them. Eternity seems like a long enough sentence. They’re not really acting like they believe it

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Apparently their god is no longer omnipotent enough to smite, so they have to do it on his behalf. Weird, because he used to do a lot of smiting a few thousand years ago.

    mycathas9lives ,
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    @FlyingSquid @SuckMyWang

    Their God is on meth laying around his heavenly house trailer in his wife beater and he is doing absolutely nothing.

    Lifecoach5000 ,

    I’m still fascinated by commenting from other platforms in the fediverse. Do you just follow !news on there?

    dual_sport_dork ,
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    And remember, your state is run by the same motherfuckers who can’t reliably fix a pothole. And anyone expects them to catch the right guy 100% of the time?

    Dkarma ,

    The state always has this power. How naive you are.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Really? Then why is Anders Breivik still alive?

    Somehow, Norway has not murdered him despite the fact that he murdered dozens of children.

    sepulcher ,

    The death penalty is appropriate for child rapists.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    And you believe you can prove every single time beyond any reasonable doubt that the accused child rapist you are putting to death is not innocent of the crime? How would you be able to do so?

    sepulcher ,

    Are you trying to argue that it’s okay to imprison innocent people but it’s not okay to execute them? Because even without the death penalty, these innocent people you’re referring to would just spend life in prison. I guess that’s acceptable to you?

    What if they die in prison? Even if their case gets overturned, they could’ve spent decades in prison. Is that okay to you?

    ripcord ,
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    Nothing about what they said implies that this would be ok.

    Problem with homicide is that it’s final. Someone falsely imprisoned has the chance of being let go. Anyone who is killed immediately loses that option.

    sepulcher ,

    Nothing about what they said implies that this would be ok.

    False. He said we shouldn’t execute them because they may be innocent. That implies imprisoning them is okay, unless he thinks we shouldn’t imprison child rapists because they may be innocent.

    Problem with homicide is that it’s final. Someone falsely imprisoned has the chance of being let go. Anyone who is killed immediately loses that option.

    Okay. So it’s alright to punish innocent people as long as it’s not permanent?

    Unless of course they die in prison, in which case…?

    And also, losing decades of your life in prison is permanent. You don’t get that time back.

    ripcord ,
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    That implies imprisoning them is okay,

    No it doesn’t.

    So it’s alright to punish innocent people as long as it’s not permanent?

    Nope.

    sepulcher ,

    Okay.

    Then we shouldn’t imprison people because they might be innocent just like we shouldn’t execute them because they might be innocent.

    Do you agree with this? Why or why not?

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    You can let someone out of prison. You can’t unkill them.

    sepulcher ,

    What about people who die in prison?

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    They generally do so when they’re older than the people who get executed for the same accused crime. Meaning there’s a chance they’ll have a life outside of prison if they’re innocent.

    Again, you can’t unkill someone. You can, however, not intentionally kill them.

    sepulcher ,

    Meaning there’s a chance they’ll have a life outside of prison if they’re innocent.

    Yeah, but what about those who don’t get that chance?

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    What about them? They’re not intentionally killed.

    sepulcher ,

    So? They still lose their lives.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    You really don’t understand the difference between an innocent person potentially dying in prison and an innocent person definitely dying in prison?

    sepulcher ,

    Of course I do. The end result is still the same for those who die in prison.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Again- potential vs. definite. Why is potential just as bad as definite to you?

    There’s the potential you will get hit by a car every time you walk down the street. Isn’t that potential better than someone intentionally driving into you?

    sepulcher ,

    Because either way an innocent person is losing their life because of the state.

    I just wanted you to admit that it’s acceptable to imprison potentially innocent people for life.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I said no such thing. Do not lie.

    Of course it is not acceptable to imprison potentially innocent people for life. That’s why you give them many chances to appeal. Do you think that I believe people should not be given chances to appeal or something?

    And, again, they only have the potential of being in prison for life. If their appeals have been exhausted but new evidence arises, special circumstances can be made.

    People with the death penalty who have exhausted all of their appeals get killed.

    Also, there is no restitution given to innocent people who were killed. Innocent people who were imprisoned and get let free get restitution.

    Now, please answer me:

    There’s the potential you will get hit by a car every time you walk down the street. Isn’t that potential better than someone intentionally driving into you?

    sepulcher ,

    Of course it is not acceptable to imprison potentially innocent people for life.

    But that’s what happens when we imprison people for life. Inevitably, someone innocent is going to end up there. Just like with the death penalty, right?

    You’re typing an essay because you don’t realize how you’ve succumbed to doublethink.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I guess that’s why Anders Breivik wasn’t imprisoned for life.

    Now please answer my question.

    Roflmasterbigpimp ,
    @Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world avatar

    Just checked his Account. 2 Days old, lots of negative Comment-ratio. Most likely a Troll.

    ChairmanMeow ,
    @ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

    You’re ignoring that the state should rectify unacceptable situations. With wrongful imprisonment, the state can rectify the situation and compensate the innocent. With the death penalty, this is never possible. And even if such a rectification is not done, at least the prisoner was still able to live somewhat of a life.

    This makes life imprisonment infintely more acceptable that the death penalty. There’s no doublethink in admitting there are different gradations of unacceptable.

    Roflmasterbigpimp ,
    @Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world avatar
    sepulcher ,

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    Fades , in Cracking down on pandemic aid fraud, DOJ claws back $1.4 billion and charges 3,500 people

    hell fucking yes, keep going!!! All the scumbags that get enraged when kids get their predatory loans forgiven but were happy as hell to take PPP loans and have them forgiven

    Omegamanthethird , in He Faces Execution. His Lawyers May Have Earned Less Than $4 an Hour.
    @Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

    That headline sounds really weird until you read more. Basically his lawyers were paid one lump sum by the state, incentivizing spending as little time as possible on the case.

    gAlienLifeform OP ,
    @gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

    Yep, and that background is a very likely answer to the question, “How can somebody plead guilty and still get the death penalty?”

    Semi_Hemi_Demigod , in Paris Olympics lifts intimacy ban for athletes and is stocking up on 300,000 condoms
    @Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

    Once your event is over you’re just left hanging out with a bunch of young, fit people with nothing else to do who you won’t see for four years. Frankly I’m amazed they don’t have sex rooms for the athletes at the Olympics just to make it easier to clean.

    olympicyes ,

    That’s the only OnlyFans I’d be willing to subscribe to.

    some_guy , in Trump spirals as bond deadline in fraud case nears

    “I currently have almost five hundred million dollars in cash… The often overturned political hack judge on the rigged and corrupt A.G. case, where I have done nothing wrong, knew this, wanted to take it away from me, and that’s where and why he came up with the shocking number which, coupled with his crazy interest demand, is approximately $454,000,000,” Trump wrote in all caps on Truth Social Friday morning.

    I can’t live off of the millions of dollars that would be leftover.

    People who live paycheck to paycheck buy this crap. I mean, what’s he supposed to do with his “millions” in the interim? Just starve to death?

    ShepherdPie ,

    It’s all bullshit anyway as nobody with $500M would just leave it sitting around liquid/as cash. That’d generate around $40M a year in interest by just investing it in basic shit and getting an average return.

    Corkyskog ,

    Well I wouldn’t say “nobody” it matters how many billions you got…

    For example Bezos keeps 5% of his wealth (currently 9.5B) in cash. I assume that’s cash and equivalents… but who knows.

    anon_8675309 ,

    I think I would too. He could live the entire rest of his life on 9B making zero interest and losing value to inflation.

    KevonLooney ,

    Right now $9.5 billion in Treasury Bills can make you $484 million per year. Enough to buy a yacht or pay a massive civil penalty, depending on who you are.

    That’s the best thing about Trump not being able to scrape together $460 million. Any real billionaire would just get a loan and pay it off with the income from their investments over time. Never sell good assets unless it’s for more money.

    Trump has no good assets that he hasn’t already mortgaged. So no bank will lend to him. He’s probably fucked. We’ll see on Monday.

    undergroundoverground ,

    Most likely bonds (as you said, cash equivalents). When you get to a certain level of wealth, instead of paying taxes, you lend that same money to the government and receive interest on it.

    And/or because it’s hidden away in some tax haven under somone else’s name.

    I wouldn’t trust a word of it myself.

    legios , (edited ) in Teacher who resigned after her OnlyFans page was discovered says new employer fired her for violating social media policy
    @legios@aussie.zone avatar

    I’m a senior manager at a pretty big company.

    That’s something she does on the side, and if anyone in the workplace gave her shit, I would tell them to leave it the fuck alone unless they wanted me to bring HR in to the convo.

    Can people please not be cunts? (I’m an Aussie…)

    Edit: People need to disconnect things. Say there’s leaked nudes (or even just public nudes) of a work colleague. Let’s take it to they used to do porn. Yep, that’s something they did. That has zero impact on their role now or who they are in their role. They don’t deserve shame, or ridicule.

    lud ,

    What would HR at your company say?

    velvetThunder ,

    Stop giving people shit about their “hobbies”.

    lud ,

    Are you saying that to me or as a quote?

    Leviathan ,

    “We need to protect our innocent company from these scumbag workers at all cost!”

    I assume, they don’t exist to protect workers’ rights.

    abraxas ,

    HR where I work is excessively paranoid about terminations. They will want a paper trail of performance failures or argue to death that “then they’ll be able to argue they were really fired for a protected reason. Get me a paper trail of performance failures”.

    Not saying our HR is worker-friendly. They’re just VERY lawsuit-averse.

    Flip-side, I worked at a company that fired anyone for any reason and just kept cash aside for wrongful termination suits. And they had a HUGE HR team, whose job it was to keep the employers happy.

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s like a union, but for corporations.

    captain_aggravated ,
    @captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

    You know this chick:

    https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/1dc4c670-1561-44f7-bad9-09549c589378.png

    Those expressions were her reaction to taste testing some kombucha on a video or stream. Those screenshots were grabbed by the internet and used in a similar format to the Drake meme, “Nah that’s bad” "actually I like that

    She worked at a bank. They fired her for it.

    Raiderkev ,

    Wow. TIL. That sucks.

    jkrtn ,

    That’s fucked up. There’s nothing about that video that was remotely inappropriate for work. Everyone needs to join a union, holy hell.

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    I heard Unions were of the devil!

    RampantParanoia2365 ,

    So she was essentially fired for being a comedic actor. Imagine if the restaurant industry had the same policy.

    captain_aggravated ,
    @captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

    It’s potentially worse, and stupider, than that.

    The bank didn’t fire her specifically because she posted the video where she made a couple faces after trying kombucha. They fired her because her face started to get used for the meme. Completely out of her control, because people started posting “thing I don’t like, thing I like” memes with this format, often times with various political messages. Basically someone else used her face in a “this brings joy, this does not bring joy” meme and she got canned because of the bank’s “image.” As if it was actually her saying these things.

    TropicalDingdong ,

    I mean, I hope she got a hell of a lawsuit out of that, because damn. Also its a bank so you know they have at least some money.

    abraxas ,

    At Will employment. “In a meme” is not a protected class, and a reasonable bank employee could see her meme-attachment having a detrimental effect on business (you don’t have to be in your reasons for firing someone as long as those reasons aren’t protected or being used to hide that you’re firing them for a protected reason). I’d guess she’d have no case in almost any state in the US with their lack of employee protections.

    Gabu ,

    Gross. Here in Brazil the employers would be bending over backwards to beg her not to sue them for all they’re worth.

    anarchy79 , (edited )
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    Here in Sweden this wouldn’t be a problem whatsoever, and she’d have worker rights. Well, the conservatives driven by American cock sucking ideals are dismantling all that, but so far, she’d be ok.

    ed: i get political when I’m drunk, sorry

    chiliedogg ,

    And to be clear - she probably got unemployment. “At-Will” isn’t a magic spell.

    Terminating an employee without cause requires them to pay unemployment.

    abraxas ,

    She was terminated “for cause”. To get unemployment, she’s likely to have to fight for it. She’s likely to win, but it’s not a free thing.

    chiliedogg ,

    It’s super duper easy. The unemployment office LOVES forcing companies to pay up.

    abraxas , (edited )

    You’re not wrong, but I’ve also worked at companies that successfully contested unemployment claims. It can depend by state, but “it was entirely this person’s fault” is a bad start. Employers win about 30% of contested claims, and then about 15-20% of appeals (#1 cause for an employer losing a contested claim or an appeal appears to be withdrawing or not showing up for it). (Some numbers)

    And the main reason employers lose when they show up is lack of preparation. In a case like the above, if they can show a policy (preferably one signed by her) that directly forbids her onlyfans account, they probably have a pretty good case to shut her down.

    That said, they’re very unlikely to waste their time and money to fight it. Ultimately (as my current employer’s HR put it) “it’s just a cost of doing business” and a waste of money to pursue.

    TropicalDingdong ,

    restaurant industry

    Isn’t that where fired comedic actors go after they are fired?

    CableMonster ,

    If the actions of an employee will reflect on a company, why shouldnt they have the right to decide to work with someone that doesnt do those things on the side?

    If an america employee went on the news yelling racist things (on the side), shouldnt they company have the right not to work with them?

    Gabu ,

    Yes - and the company should then pay the employee for the termination unrelated in any way to their performance on the job. Keep in mind, the better solution would be to have racism be actually illegal in 'murica, so the employer fires that employee after they explicitly break the law.

    CableMonster ,

    he better solution would be to have racism be actually illegal

    How exactly would you do this, and who gets to decide what is racist? Right now we have half country getting called racist on a regular basis.

    Gabu ,

    You do what most of the world already did. Simple as that. Oh, forgive me - I forgot 'murica likes being stuck 200 years in the past at all times.

    CableMonster ,

    You mean the rest of the world where people get put in prison for having a bad opinion? If that is stuck 200 years in the past, I will take it.

    Gabu ,

    'murican being 'murican, as expected. “I don’t wanna go to prison for being a racist cunt, I want black people to keep going to prison for literally no reason instead! wah wah wah!”

    CableMonster ,

    Oh gotcha you are just strawman guy… Sure dude, people are just going to prison becuase of their race, you are a genius! I guess you just want them to go to prison for say naughty things or drawing pictures of prophets.

    Gabu ,

    Sure dude, people are just going to prison becuase of their race, you are a genius!

    How much of a privileged cunt a person would have to be to think otherwise? Oh, my bad - your country prefers to shoot black people outright, huh?

    CableMonster ,

    Now you have switched to false narrative guy. You are very versatile.

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    Why is it always corporations that should get the slack. Aren’t you and me more important, our rights? You’re not a megacorp, why do you take their side? They’re not on yours!

    some_guy , in Truth Social hit by major outage

    But where will I get my truths?!

    ptz ,
    @ptz@dubvee.org avatar

    There’s probably a crazy guy ranting on a street corner somewhere nearby if you really need to get your fix.

    DrSleepless ,

    Yep saw him this morning on my way to work

    ChicoSuave ,

    The red hats make them easy to spot.

    Zier ,
    @Zier@fedia.io avatar

    Xitter, Fair & Balanced.

    Diplomjodler , in Oh look, cracking down on Big Tech works. Brave, Firefox, Vivaldi surge on iOS

    Oh noes! Innovation is being stifled by excessive regulation!

    HotsauceHurricane ,

    Ayn Rand would be so disappointed. SMH.

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