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KnitWit , in Trump threatens to sue FBI over Mar-a-Lago search for classified documents

Trump getting immunity from the SC only to squander it by allowing discovery isn’t my first choice, but damn would that be hilarious.

cheese_greater ,

Does discovery actually invalidate his new shiny bullshit immunity? They must have an answer latently waiting for that “question” of law to pop up

CileTheSane , in MAGA world is really mad that Trump is no longer running against Biden
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

This is starting to look like an effective strategy for the Democrats to drain Republican funds: don’t announce your actual candidate until August.

BombOmOm ,
@BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

The US election cycle is too long anyway. I’m very for this idea.

SpikedPunchVictim ,

Spot on. For once (not really, but this doesn’t happen as often as it needs to) the Democrats are outsmarting their opponents. Let’s make this the norm. All of us working together towards a common sense future.

pyre , in Pornhub Pulls Out of Nebraska

nice work gizmodo. i see what you did there

some_guy , in Secret Service decries rightwing blame on female agents over Trump shooting

Hahaha. That’s the job you signed up for. Repubs treat everyone like shit and you earned their attention by being his detail.

natecox ,
@natecox@programming.dev avatar

Let’s not blame victims of sexism. Sexism is bad, mmm’kay.

Apytele ,

Also there’s good odds they don’t get to choose their detail. The best of the best of the best probably get assigned to the standing POTUS and everybody else probably gets the runner-ups. So you could go into that career (probably years ago) wanting to protect and serve your country and all that martyr bullshit, and then because you got a 98% on your practicum while the other candidate got a 99% now you’re stuck getting sexually harassed by Trump for the rest of your career.

audiomodder ,

It would not surprise me if Trump requested female agents. He seems like the kind of person that would do that.

foggy ,

The leopards, my face… Oh nooo

natecox ,
@natecox@programming.dev avatar

Do you think that Trump’s secret service people are there because they’re loyalists? I doubt they get to choose their details.

It’s only leapords meme worthy if it’s someone who was gladly supportive of (in this case) sexism against others beforehand… we have no evidence of that here.

Zipitydew ,

They are somewhat deliberately picked. theguardian.com/…/joe-biden-secret-service-team-t…

And the rumors back in 2020 were that Trump made sure his team were all MAGA people. That way he didn’t have to worry about snitching. Which was later demonstrated when the USSS just magically up and lost records they should have had from Jan 6th.

Chozo ,

I imagine that sitting presidents are able to hand-pick their detail, but do former presidents also get the same freedom to choose their own staff? I would assume that former presidents just get who they get, unless there's a legitimate problem with the assignment.

kobra ,

Isn’t this just a natural thing that would happen in this instance? I can’t imagine the number of secret service agents that want to be specifically assigned to trump is that high.

Conversely I would assume the number of secret service agents that don’t want that detail is fairly high. I assume a sitting president detail is more engaging for most in that line, plus the trump camp comes with its own special flavor of volatility.

I would assume those two things work together to essentially mean that trump did mostly have his choice for who works with him but who knows really

foggy ,

Nobody is forced to do any job when your career is such that you’re working for the president. Resignation is always an option.

And no, they were gladly supportive of someone who supports sexism. And then sexism. Thus, the leopards.

Wogi ,

The leopards part happens when Trump throws his own security detail under the bus to stir up his base, which if his past is anything to go by, he’ll be doing shortly.

THEN we can have the leopards meme about the secret service. Pop it back in guys it’s not ready yet.

Wrench ,

You think any security at any level actually care about the property or people they’re tasked with protecting?

It’s a job.

foggy ,

Yes, I’m told I need to put my body, flesh and blood, before the president of it seems he may be shot.

It’s a job, okay. Just like any other.

/s

some_guy ,

I’m laughing at the institution of the Secret Service, not the women within that maga shitheads are complaining about.

Empricorn ,

Hey hey, that’s not true! If you have inherited wealth or you hate minorities, they will admire you for life…

zcd , in JD Vance once wrote that he 'convinced myself that I was gay' when he was a kid

Which is totally fine right? Unless he belongs to some sort of extremist group that base their identity around intolerance, racism and homophobia… but that’s just crazy talk! This guy could be the new VP!

bolexforsoup ,

No it’s not fine because he is insinuating that it is a choice that can be logic’d into and out of

ImADifferentBird ,
@ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I mean, for some people, it is. When you’re exploring your identity, you don’t always get it right on your first try. Just like there are people who are convinced they’re straight that are actually gay (or bi, or pan, or what have you). Though that is far more common, largely because of the societal pressures to conform to heteronormativity.

But then, perhaps that truly is Vance’s case here. Maybe he actually is gay, and his whole… everything is just him trying desperately to convince himself otherwise.

bolexforsoup ,

Being gay is not a choice.

ImADifferentBird ,
@ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’m aware of this, but again, people don’t always figure themselves out the first time. We are messy beasts.

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Right, but the reason he’s saying this at all is to try and make the claim that it is a choice, and that he simply changed his choice. Not that he found his real self without societal pressure.

bolexforsoup ,

OK but that is not the same thing as making a choice to be gay. That is the entire point. What he said insinuates that it is a choice.

ImADifferentBird ,
@ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I guess what I’m saying is that I don’t doubt the facts of the story, even if I doubt the conclusion he reached.

Deceptichum , in Elon Musk says SpaceX and X headquarters moving to Texas, blames California trans student privacy law
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

Please host the Twitter servers in Texas. It would be nice for the internet to improve each day the poorly managed Texas power grid dies.

Viking_Hippie ,

Please host the Twitter servers in Texas

Can’t do that with porn being so heavily restricted in Texas…

AlecSadler , in Elon Says He's Giving Trump PAC $45 Million… Per Month: Report

Jesus christ I hate this guy.

Maeve , in FBI cracks phone belonging to Trump rally shooting suspect

Something sus about how quickly they can unlock phones when it's attempted murderer killed dead and murder victims killed dead.

TeddE ,
@TeddE@lemmy.world avatar

Cracking a phone is pretty doable. Cracking phones in a way that will hold up in a court trial, much more formal.

SpacePirate ,

Most phones are locked with a four digit numerical PIN. The current technique is taking an image of the flash memory, and reflashing the memory after every few attempts.

It still takes a bit longer than straight brute force without a temporal lockout, but it’s still pretty trivial.

saltesc ,

If it was biometric login, even easier. Would’ve gotten in before thebody even got cold.

Magister ,
@Magister@lemmy.world avatar

15 years ago, yes, nowadays especially on iPhone this does not work at all

SpacePirate , (edited )

It does when you have physical access to the RAM and storage, and a disassembly lab expressly configured for this purpose.

This is the backbone for a number of forensic services offered to law enforcement, and an entire cottage industry. I know with certainty it was still feasible as of the iPhone 12, which is well inside of 15 years. I don’t believe the architecture in the 13 or 14 has changed significantly to make this impossible.

With slightly earlier phones, tethered jailbreaks are often good enough, though law enforcement would more likely outsource to a firm leveraging Cellebrite or Axiom as the first step.

OutsizedWalrus ,

No, it doesn’t. This is what the Secure Enclave is for.

You’re not storing these counters in system memory. You’re sending attempts to an isolated chip.

stetech ,

Yes, it does, if they have full access to the disassembled hardware and assuming research time & resources they could do practically anything. Such as emulating the Secure Enclave chip with a “fraudulent” version, changing all firmware running on any semiconductors in the phone, isolating storage, I don’t know the details, but let your imagination loose.

Physical, uninterrupted access is unlikely, yet bad news for anyone’s threat model.

experbia ,
@experbia@lemmy.world avatar

not only physical access, but the authority to get any information necessary from the manufacturers of every component in the device. there is no question to them how any component operates, from silicon to software.

WindyRebel ,

If it used face unlock, just have the dead body and prop the eyes open and you’re in?

Maeve ,

I shouldn't have, but I smiled.

I should clarify: I meant that if they're law enforcement does the killing, cracking the phone takes much less time than it does when the phone belongs to the murder victim.

Kraven_the_Hunter ,

Fingerprint unlock would be even easier.

Pacmanlives ,
Warl0k3 ,

If I remember right, samsung/iphone face unlock won’t work on a corpse since it relies (at least in part) on infrared constellations that incorporate patterns formed by subdermal capillary networks and death obviously disrupts those.

Skydancer ,

At the nation-state level with an ex-president target, pumping heated liquid through the arteries of a dead body isn’t much of an obstacle.

Probably not actually what they did, but seriously people - a single biometric security factor is not going to secure anything when a government has the body and actually cares about getting in.

WindyRebel ,

That’s very interesting if true! I didn’t realize it could be that advanced.

JohnOliver ,

Dude… my niece can unlock my phone while i sleep by putting my finger on the sensor.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it would recognize my face while sleeping too

dependencyinjection ,

iPhones require your eyes to be open and looking at it, so I imagine Androids have something similar.

JohnOliver ,

I sleep with my eyes mostly open… but the point is, that i am sure that the FBI are more creative than my niece

dependencyinjection ,

Your niece is a bigger threat. Most people are not on the FBI radar.

Corkyskog ,

Literally a growing threat too…

aStonedSanta ,

What. The. Fuck.

JohnOliver ,
aStonedSanta ,

Damn that’s wild. Sorry to hear about that. Hope it’s not a burden.

gAlienLifeform OP , in Secret Service: We Didn’t Turn Down Trump’s Extra Security Request
@gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

I think this article that lists five different times the Secret Service had major security lapses since 2012 is also worth reading

My theory is that Trump was getting the best security the Secret Service can give, and they’re just really bad at their jobs for some reason

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Is it just that it’s a really fucking hard job? How do you protect someone who wants to travel the country and stand in front of live audiences of thousands of people, without getting in the way of the personal experience they are trying to sell?

If you are as controversial as Trump, anyone can be an assassin and the secret service have to somehow separate crazy fan from crazy assassin, in a thousand different venues. The only real option is a bulletproof Popemobile.

Chainweasel ,

Someone reported the shooter 3 minutes before the first shots were fired.
“Follow up on suspicious reports” doesn’t sound like it’s a very hard part of the job.

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

“There’s a shooter in the stadium somewhere, find them in the next 3 minutes” actually sounds like a really hard job.

Chainweasel ,

They pointed to the guy on the roof…

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

I honestly think you’re underestimating how hard this is. 3 minutes is probably not enough time to get to the roof let alone find him if he moved.

Chainweasel ,

It’s not that hard to pull Trump from the stage until they had time to assess threat.

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

They had snipers set up on the other roofs. Turn and look when you get the radio call.

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

All the more reason to not be concerned when someone reports a gunman on the roof?

fartington ,

I think ginger Wayne Static even said that from the angle of the roof the shooter was on, secret service couldn’t actually see him. I guess until he exposed himself to take the shots.

Quick edit: They still should have pulled Trump from the stage. If there are multiple people yelling that there is someone with a gun on a roof, you don’t let Trump keep talking lol, like wtf.

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Yeah, but we don’t know how often they get false reports. I think from now on the security approach will probably change.

fartington ,

100%

aphlamingphoenix ,

ginger Wayne Static

This is so good.

someguy3 ,

“There’s a shooter in the stadium, get Trump off the stage” is really fucking easy.

nobody158 ,

Yeah like you are getting tRump off a stage while he is ranting with just one report

someguy3 ,

Yes, you do. You push him off, he doesn’t get a say in it. Nevermind that he probably would want to, he doesn’t want to get shot.

PyroNeurosis ,

Abusing that system to silence him would be super easy.

Zaktor ,

It wasn’t clear from the Trump-visor guy that he actually reported anything, just yelled and pointed and assumed they’d pick up on it. What the security actually saw and heard is another question. Maybe if you see a suspected assassin coming for your godking, it’s important enough to actually leave your seat and talk to someone directly.

afraid_of_zombies ,

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  • LustyArgonianMana ,
    @LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

    Right? They were directly told and chose to ignore it.

    gAlienLifeform OP ,
    @gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

    I mean, I definitely wouldn’t want to do their job (and Trump with his thing for rallies is probably extra tough), but I don’t think the drunk driving crashes and visiting sex workers while traveling overseas with the President helps

    Dave ,
    @Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

    Yeah, I’ll give you that one. I’m assuming there’s a super tough process to be selected for the secret service, like an astronaut selection process? But maybe I’m assuming wrong.

    gAlienLifeform OP ,
    @gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

    @mozz made a really good comment here that I think starts to answer this

    I imagine it’s just incredibly difficult to take your job super seriously when any given thing only happens like once every 5-10 years, and probably not to you. I imagine most secret service people who are doing security spend 100% of their careers just standing around and then retire with nothing having happened.

    At one point, US embassy security details had this problem, and what they settled on was rotating active-duty combat troops in straight from the field so they were super alert. After about 6 months they would start to relax, and they would rotate them out and have fresh people.

    I won’t claim to know what the answer is for the SS but clearly there are some issues with the way they’re doing it.

    I could see something like - someone is the best of the best, gets selected for a very prestigious Secret Service posting, then nothing happens and they just have to pick up dry cleaning and watch the fanciest and most pretentious people in the world attend cocktail parties for several years, and eventually they end up visiting sex workers and drinking on duty and things like that

    Dave ,
    @Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

    That’s a really good point, it must be hard keeping them on top of their game.

    KevonLooney ,

    I am not in security, but I have worked in secure areas. The way you prevent issues is having multiple layers of security that watch each other.

    Like you prevent individual employees from committing fraud by having other employees sign off on their work. Then you prevent those employees from colluding to commit fraud by having another group of employees monitor their actions. Finally a third group of employees audits everyone occasionally (at random).

    This way it requires at least 4 people who don’t know each other to do anything illegal. I’m sure the Secret Service could do with some audits. Like literally have an entire team of Secret Service people test them, trying to trick them into making a mistake.

    vividspecter ,

    Somewhat unrelated topic, but this is why driving is so dangerous at a population level. Most of the time, nothing happens even if you take a bunch of risks. But if enough risks occur at the same time, people die (Swiss cheese model).

    Wrench ,

    I think most secret service are ex military, often special ops. Former SEALS, etc.

    You tend to get a certain kind of personality with that kind of experience. So you have to accept a little bit of risk with after hour entertainment.

    IamSparticles ,

    To get assigned to protect a president? Yes, that’s a pretty tough selection process. The Secret Service has other responsibilities, though. Presidential protection details are just one possible assignment. It just happens to be the most high profile and prestigious assignment. But they were actually chartered as a law-enforcement/intelligence branch of the Department of the Treasury, so they also investigate a range of financial crimes, including (but not limited to) forgery, counterfeiting, wire fraud, etc. At the time that it was decided the president needed constant protection (after McKinley was assassinated in 1901), the FBI didn’t exist yet, or else they might have gotten the job.

    LustyArgonianMana ,
    @LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s a “hard job,” yet they were literally informed about the shooter crawling to location and ignored it. Seems like incompetence at minimum

    mozz ,
    @mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

    I imagine it’s just incredibly difficult to take your job super seriously when any given thing only happens like once every 5-10 years, and probably not to you. I imagine most secret service people who are doing security spend 100% of their careers just standing around and then retire with nothing having happened.

    At one point, US embassy security details had this problem, and what they settled on was rotating active-duty combat troops in straight from the field so they were super alert. After about 6 months they would start to relax, and they would rotate them out and have fresh people.

    I won’t claim to know what the answer is for the SS but clearly there are some issues with the way they’re doing it.

    jonne ,

    My guess is that most of his SS agents are chosen because they’re loyalists, not because of any particular skill.

    snooggums ,
    @snooggums@midwest.social avatar

    SS agents are chosen because they’re loyalists

    This was also true in the 1930s, funny how history repeats.

    tiefling ,

    If they don’t want to be called SS, maybe they should stop protecting a Hitler wannabe

    Lemminary , in 'Gay furry hackers' disband after Project 2025 data theft

    Pres Y to yiff respects.

    Nurse_Robot ,

    Y

    Leate_Wonceslace ,
    @Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Y

    DmMacniel ,
    @DmMacniel@feddit.org avatar

    Y

    GregorTacTac ,
    @GregorTacTac@lemm.ee avatar

    Y

    kspatlas ,

    Y

    lisquid420 ,

    Y

    Tja ,

    Is that the new pronunciation of gif?

    nutsack ,

    yea

    BombOmOm , in New Sentinel nuclear warhead program is 81% over budget. But Pentagon says it must go forward
    @BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

    The old nukes are very, very old. MAD doesn’t work if people question if your weapons actually still work. They need an update.

    wintermute_oregon ,

    They need an update but we can reduce the number of warheads we have to save money. I forget the exact number but it’s around 3k war heads.

    NOT_RICK ,
    @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

    The way military contracts work doesn’t sound like it’s working anymore either

    BombOmOm ,
    @BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

    In what way? Them coming out more than expected? That isn’t a new thing, in fact I would say it is the norm for basically all contracts, and not just military ones.

    NOT_RICK ,
    @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

    It has seemed to get worse as systems get more complex but I’m admittedly an outsider to that world

    grue ,

    Maybe I’m overly cynical, but it being “only” 81% over budget makes me pleasantly surprised.

    TunaLobster ,

    There was a really good freakonomics podcast episode about that! freakonomics.com/…/heres-why-all-your-projects-ar…

    Maggoty ,

    The article explains that the scope of work was so big it was very hard to make a real estimate.

    ChaoticEntropy ,
    @ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

    I can imagine that they also probably didn’t agree to use a contractor who made a more realistic estimation.

    Maggoty ,

    A program this big likely has a lot of contractors. The guys designing new rockets aren’t going to be the guys refurbishing the silos. Every so often the government does have projects that have “known unknowns” meaning they can’t effectively be accounted for. Should they have run 1,000 smaller projects? Maybe, but they didn’t and there’s trade offs with that too.

    bitwaba ,

    Seems to be working for Russia. No one has bothered to call their bluffs in the last year over all the nuclear posturing.

    BossDj , in ‘Bob’s Burgers’ & ‘Anchorman’ Actor Jay Johnston Pleads Guilty To Felony Charge Related To January 6 Capitol Siege – Update

    Here are the details of his surprisingly active involvement in the attack:

    thehill.com/…/4760311-jay-johnston-pleads-guilty-…

    Also of note:

    Johnston was a voice actor on Fox’s “Bob’s Burgers” but was reportedly fired after it was confirmed that he was at the Capitol on Jan. 6.

    mosiacmango ,

    Court documents said Johnston allegedly confronted Capitol Police directly and helped other rioters by handing out stolen police shields that were used to create a “shield wall” against authorities.

    Johnston then participated in group assault on officers who were defending the lower west terrace tunnel before rejoining other rioters outside the tunnel in “pushing repeatedly against the defending officers,” the affidavit stated.

    Yup, apprently a key part of the tunnel crush. This wasent just a “tourist trip.”

    Throw the book at him.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    This is one of the people Trump is describing as a hostage.

    avidamoeba , (edited ) in Clarence Thomas takes aim at a new target: Eliminating OSHA
    @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

    The program for rolling back hard fought union victories is going full steam ahead.

    I suppose the American worker could wake up to the reality that the protection against utter abuse for no pay didn’t just appear out of thin air and that only their fellow worker can be relied upon to stick for them.

    ours ,

    Ah, but the police force got much better and stronger since back in those days so good look going back to protesting to get those rights back,

    Plus splitting people over insane conspiracies keeps them weak and easier to control so Americans are less likely to stick together and fight the real enemy: the billionaires.

    jaybone ,

    They will lay off middle class American workers, then bring in H1B visa workers to replace them at half the cost, then blame immigrants for taking their jobs. Then blame border security and terrorism.

    el_bhm ,

    That is the plan. Clarence Thomas is owned by billioners parasites that want a feudalism system in their corporations.

    rayyy ,

    I suppose the American worker could wake up to the reality that the protection against utter abuse for no pay didn’t just appear out of thin air

    Are you kidding? The Budweiser and Marlboro crowd will be told it is the fault of some brown people so they will double down on their hate and donations to elect a dictator who will “solve” their problems

    Veraxus , in Kyle Rittenhouse's family plead for money as they face eviction

    Supply Side Jesus says they should just lift themselves up by their bootstraps.

    BackOnMyBS , in Animal homosexual behaviour under-reported by scientists, survey shows
    @BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place avatar

    Almost there! Just one more step left on the Gay Agenda:

    ✔️ look cute

    ✔️ be gay

    ✔️ hang out with friends

    ✔️ make memes

    ✔️ trick wise protectors of heterosexuality into accepting gay animals

    ◻️ be treated with decency by society

    flicker ,

    I call bullshit.

    I do not see brunch anywhere on that list.

    Facebones ,

    What if I’m straight and all about some brunch?

    msage ,

    I may have some news for you…

    flicker ,

    The Brunch Amendment of 2008 lists all the people welcome to brunch and explicitly states that allies are allowed.

    Maeve ,

    Will there be quiche? Vegan is fine.

    Crikeste ,

    You have to twerk in gay city first.

    irreticent ,
    @irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m tired and misread that as “twerk in my gay cavity.” I need sleep.

    PythagreousTitties ,

    Sweet dreams, sweet prince.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ve heard of the Gay Agenda for years now, and yet I still am a slob and totally lack any fabulousness. Who do I write to in order to complain?

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