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state_electrician ,

Weren’t the Maori also just invaders who killed the natives and brought invasive species with them? I feel kind.of ambiguous about this whole Maori fascination.

yokonzo ,

If you look back far enough most everyone is an invader

RegalPotoo ,
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Kinda sorta. The Moriori settled in the Chatham Island (a few hundred km south of New Zealand) and were later victims of genocide at the hands of a Maori tribe during the musket wars. Previously it was assumed that the Moriori came to the Chathams in a separate wave of migration to the ones that brought the Maori, but more recent evidence seems to point to them arriving in New Zealand at about the same time, then moving south.

There were a few species that went extinct between the Maori arriving in NZ and the Europeans showing up, but expecting an ecosystem to not change when a new apex predator shows up is just “noble savage” BS.

imaqtpie ,
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The Maori were Polynesian navigators who were the first humans to settle NZ around 1300 AD. New Zealand and Hawaii were two of the last places on Earth to be settled by humans.

Then some of the Maori left from NZ and colonized the Chatham Islands around 1500. Due to their geographic isolation, they diverged culturally from the Maori, adopted a pacifist way of life, and came to be known as the Moriori.

In the mid-1800s, some Maori tribes, armed with muskets obtained from trade with Europeans, invaded the Chatham Islands and committed a genocide for nearly 30 years against the Moriori, who did not fight back because of their belief in pacifism. This is known as the Moriori genocide.

ryannathans ,

There’s still one little tribe of moriori left

Ilovethebomb ,

Not 100%, all surviving Moriori are a mixture of Maori and Moriori. At this point probably some European as well.

deadbeef79000 ,

The “full blooded X” argument is an attempt to disenfranchise Māori from their whakapapa. If a person can and wants to trace their lineage (whakapapa) to any iwi or waka then they are Māori.

Ilovethebomb ,

Including David Seymour, ironically enough.

deadbeef79000 ,

That’s something I just don’t get. That’s why I included “and wants to”.

Stamau123 ,

In 1870, a Native Land Court was established to adjudicate competing land claims; by this time most Māori had returned to Taranaki. The court ruled in favour of the Māori, awarding them 97% of the land.The judge ruled that since the Moriori had been conquered by Māori they did not have ownership rights of the land.

Ahahahaha, wtf

deadbeef79000 ,

The land court’s purpose was literally (as stated in the establishing legislation) to oversee the “extinguishment or Māori title”.

Setting conquest as a precedent of losing your land was deliberate.

Ilovethebomb ,

Pretty much every piece of NZ had been taken off someone by force at some point, before Europeans even landed. The Maori tribes had a number of wars between each other over territory.

Wanderer ,

Some of them were cannibals too.

deadbeef79000 ,

Nope. Not even close. That’s a myth used to invalidate actual Māori history.

The “moriori” were a Māori tribe on the Chatham islands who were conquered by mainland Māori.

Fun fact: NZ is the last place on earth to be permanently settled by humans.

TL;DR: Polynesians settled New Zealand over the 13th century, slowly lost contact with polynesia and the cultures diverged.

Ilovethebomb ,

They were genocided by mainland Maori, the island’s inhabitants were either killed or enslaved, and forced to adopt the culture of their conquerors.

Ilovethebomb ,

The white people being more Maori than the Maori is pretty accurate actually.

deadbeef79000 ,

No. It’s just that some of us Pākehā actually care about preserving and supporting a people and a culture that our ancestors did their best to eradicate.

Those of us that care enough, will find out the appropriate ways to provide such support.

Auckland Airport has some (IMHO somewhat crass) token Māoritanga in the international terminal. They’re quite happy to exploit Māori when there’s tourism dollars to be made.

riodoro1 ,

Should’ve went to Hawaii instead.

lemmylommy ,

It’s like a NZ Bollywood movie.

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