so what's your threshold for calling police on random situations in your area that appear strange and potentially violent?

Fondots , 9 hours ago

For what it’s worth, I work in 911 dispatch, so I’ve heard pretty much every reason someone could call the police, some good, some not so good, and there’s always weird exceptions or edge cases where a situation that I normally wouldn’t personally think warrants police involvement can get tipped over the edge (regardless of whether I think they’re needed or not, if someone calls asking for police, I’m dispatching them, if the cops want to ignore the call, that can be on them)

My general rule for fights/domestics, is I’ll call for situations that are or look/sound like they’re about to become physically violent, neighbors yelling at each other next door-not my problem. If I start hearing them throwing things around, I start hearing mention of weapons, they’re suddenly out in the street, etc. then I’ll call.

I’ll also call when it’s just a verbal argument in a situation where that sort of behavior is totally uncalled for, like an irate customer yelling and screaming in a store, manager is asking them to leave and they’re refusing.

Or if I witness a crime where the victim is a person, small business, or public property.

Situations where a person is or might be in significant danger or distress.

Reckless drivers if they’re really excessive, not your run of the mill bad driver or asshole speeding and running shop signs, you need to be a couple notches worse than that- swerving all over the road, or speeding to a ridiculous degree.

Certain road obstructions and other traffic hazards.

When in doubt, I say err on the side of calling. Take a deep breath, keep a level head, stick to the facts, and answer the dispatcher’s questions, and please, for the love of God don’t start your call off with anything like “well I guess it’s not really an emergency but…” that’s basically our “it didn’t scan, so it must be free” and don’t apologize repeatedly for calling, if you feel bad about tying up an emergency line, all of that apologizing just makes the call longer which means you’re just tying up the line even more.

The situation is different from one area to another, but overall a lot of places have moved to a sort of central dispatch model, more or less everything is going to go through the 911 center and very little gets dispatched from your local police station. In a lot of places, even if you call the non emergency number there’s a good chance it’s coming to us, and if it does go to someone at the station there’s a good chance they’re going to transfer you to us, or just take the information and call us after you hang up. In most cases I’d prefer you just called 911 and cut out the middle man, especially if you don’t know exactly where you are so I at least have a landline address or cellular location to work with. The station can handle administrative things, getting a copy of a report you already filed, answering general questions, lost & found, etc. but if you need a cop to do something, even if it’s just give you a phone call, that’s probably going to come through us.

In your situation, I probably would have called when someone was banging on your door. That kind of tells me that the situation was out of hand and was potentially even presenting a threat to yourself. You seem to understand that as well since you went for your gun. If there’s a situation where you think you may need to defend yourself and you have the time to do so, you should probably be calling 911.

I probably also would have called the front desk about the yelling. Cops may not care about your noise complaints, but the hotel probably has their own noise rules, and if the guests are breaking them, management can have them trespassed, and the cops will care a bit more about that.

Final thoughts, since I’m somewhat on the inside, I have a pretty good handle on the overall attitude of the cops in my county. Overall, I trust them not to show up and shoot someone having a psych episode, or be too unreasonably racist, or otherwise do something that’s going to end up on the news in a bad way. Certain officers/departments I trust more than others, and I’d be more or less willing to call about minor issues based on that. In a situation where I don’t know the local cops I’d err more on the side of not calling. My overall guidance of “if your not sure, call” still applies through.

CameronDev , 11 hours ago

I’d call the cops on the noise alone. Its their job to decide whether to, and how to intervene. Of course, the police in my country aren’t trigger happy morons, so that does change it a bit.

unemployedclaquer OP , 11 hours ago

yeah the noise is not enough. it’s literally not a crime in this area and therefore not the interest of police.

personally i’m inured to the idea of people screaming at each other. don’t like it, don’t care. I don’t think it really hurts anybody outside of the screaming people. is that a crime in some places?

MapleEngineer , 10 hours ago

It violates noise laws where I live. I have called the police because my neighbours were having drunken, obscenity filled screaming matches on their driveway at 3 am. The police have come and told them to knock it the fuck off or they will drag one of them off the jail each time. They haven’t done it outside where they can disturb their neighbours, we are far from the closest, since the third or fourth time I did that.

CameronDev , 8 hours ago

Not sure what the exact law is, but there are noise restrictions after 10pm in my area. So not just domestics, lawnmowers, reving car engines, drumkits etc are all prohibited. Its at the polices discretion to how they handle it, whenever I have called it in, usually the cops tell them to be quiet, and that theyll swing by a bit later to make sure its peaceful.

Manalith , 4 hours ago

I might call the non-emergency line for things, like if my car was stolen or house broken into. I think the only time I’d call the emergency line is if I felt actively in danger.

Calling the police is a lot like firearm training, never call them on something you don’t intend to kill.

todd_bonzalez , 4 hours ago

Have you ever actually called a non-emergency line?

It’s usually just a phone tree telling you what part of the city’s website to go to. If you’re lucky enough to talk to a real person, the moment you start telling OP’s story, they will tell you to hang up and call 911 if you think there’s an emergency.

The non-emergency line isn’t 911-lite - don’t call it because you don’t know if the situation is an emergency or not…

aramis87 , 8 hours ago

I'd've called the front desk when they were screaming at each other in the room. The front desk handles this sort of thing more than you and would have a better feel as to whether (for example) these are regular customers, how the local cops react, whether this is a normal or irregular occurrence for the area, etc. If the front desk or the cops had then stopped by the room with a noise complaint, that may have interrupted the disagreement enough that it may not have escalated later on. If they didn't stop by with a noise complaint, I very likely would have done the standard 'banging on the wall to get them to shut up' thing, which may have had the same effect (I have trouble sleeping and this nose would've made me very irritable). I don't know if I'd've opened my hotel room door, but I'd've at least looked out the peephole to assess the situation - and I'd've double-checked the lock and chain on the door during the first argument.

froh42 , 10 hours ago

I was once calling the police because there was a guy screaming loudly in front of my apartment building.

He was not threatening, just really confused, was obviously looking for his home, I had the impression he was autistic or on some kind of spectrum and it was below -5C - cold enough that it’s really dangerous to fall asleep outside.

I called the police because I thought he just needed help and someone to look after him to take him home.

Yes, I do trust police in my country.

unemployedclaquer OP , 10 hours ago

there are police in the US who would respond in this way. they’re actually prevalent. we just have some way fucked up laws and precedents and a lot of dickheads.

froh42 , 10 hours ago

From what I can see from an EU perspective: The training you get to become an officer in the US seems to vary a lot between places. That explains lot of differences.

Also it’s quite short IMO. Here in Germany it takes 2 1/2 years to become a policeman, 6 Months of these as a trainee. And still we have a number of problems.

unemployedclaquer OP , 10 hours ago (edited 10 hours ago)

edit: not sure why i went there, but german cops are less bad than US cops. maybe

yeah not relevant, but I ran into trouble with the transit cops in Berlin or Munich in the late hours once. I forget. I hadn’t bought a ticket, but I just got on the train. it took at least three cops to sternly issue me a ticket.

dhhyfddehhfyy4673 , 9 hours ago

If you're in the US, should probably avoid it like the plague tbh. They have the proven capacity to make any situation infinitely worse.

rhacer , 6 hours ago

When you call the cops you’re calling people who can kill you with impunity and get a paid vacation for doing so. Just say no to calling the cops.

JeSuisUnHombre , 5 hours ago

The police are typically just there to point guns, so I’d only call if I thought a gun was useful, which is extremely rare.

e: I’m answering from the USA

butI would absolutely change that stance if we took guns away from cops and stopped giving them military training. Especially if they had a social worker / deescalation force that was more likely to be sent.

Sir_Kevin , 1 hour ago

If I need to file a police report for the place that I am working I’ll call the non emergency line.

Other than that, I don’t call the police. I’m not trying to make any situation worse than it already is.

Frozyre , 5 hours ago

It took me 8 full months, of tolerating a tenant's loud vibrating music before I started calling police. Like, I don't mind the kind of music where you can faintly hear it because it can be ignored. No, this fucker's entitlement had the audacity to blare his shit so that not only can you hear it completely but also feel it. It was an absolute violation of the lease agreement to not have sound systems, yet here's this fucker.

I call the police on him and they told him to cut it out. I go to my sliding door by the balcony and saw like several people pour out from there. All complaining about how they had to be told to keep the peace because again, entitled assholes be entitled assholes.

Since then, though, I've had to call the police on him again because he would sometimes think he's crafty by doing that shit during days where management is closed. Like, dude, fuck you and your music.

jordanlund , 11 hours ago

Imminent danger. Call the cops.

communism , 2 hours ago

I never call the cops, ever.

shinigamiookamiryuu , 2 hours ago

I’m surprised you didn’t knock on their door yourself and say “hey, me and the other neighbors are concerned”.

I’m also sure a motel has terms and conditions as well as faculty of its own. Calling someone wouldn’t have been unforgiven.

I have a slightly different perspective/experience with police. I might not see their justification as perfect given they’re appointed on a statehood basis and I don’t see the state’s authority as binding, but all my experiences with them have been somehow positive, more positive than I can say my experiences with civilians are, especially those who try to backseat drive how order in the world works. If I have a threshold like is asked, it’s the time I called them to tell them a park faucet was broken and leaking, the kind people might use for a hose, and people were livid at me the next day when the faucet was barricaded with “out of order” barriers, like they’d rather massively waste a resource than give up an asset.

Today , 5 hours ago

If you see something, say something. I’ve called for lots of things - old man barely walking down the street when it’s >100F outside, guy in a bullet proof vest and a hoodie when it was super hot out, couple screaming horrible violent things at each other, … Basically any time i think, “huh, someone more qualified should check on that.”

ETA- in that case i would have called the front desk.

Dkarma , 4 hours ago

This boomer called the cops on someone wearing a vest.

Fuck you.

Today , 3 hours ago

Yeah. I work in schools. If you’re near a school and you’re wearing a vest and a jacket when it’s crazy hot out, I’m calling the popos. Fuck you!

InputZero , 3 hours ago

What makes you think the police are more qualified than you or the people involved. Calling the cops like that will get an innocent person killed. I called the cops for dumb reasons when I was younger but now that I know better. I’ll only call if I see serious violence. Otherwise I’m just calling someone else’s executioner.

southsamurai , 8 hours ago

Eh, depends on where I am. At a hotel, probably not until things seemed to be moving into threats. In your situation, I would have called the desk first after a few minutes of sustained noise, and only gone for cops if that failed.

At home, I know most of the neighbors well enough to be able to tell > what’s going on and why, so I’m slower to call when I’m sure nothing is going to happen. If it’s someone not from the neighborhood, or is unfamiliar, I’ll call when things get loud enough to hear it over fans and such. Then again, I know the local cops too, so I’m confident in their unwillingness to jump to violence themselves. Smallish town, smallish department, and the people in charge aren’t batshit about the whole “warrior” bullshit.

When I’m pet sitting for a friend over in the city, idgaf, I’ll call as soon as it gets loud enough to notice, and doesn’t stop in a minute or so. Don’t know the people, don’t know the cops, but I’ve got an obligation to my friends to keep things as safe as possible.

But yeah, if there’s a kid involved, you call sooner rather than later, same once things start getting broken.

FlashMobOfOne , 4 hours ago

Yikes. I’d have called the cops in your situation, if for no other reason than the potential of shouting to turn into something worse as tempers escalate.

I don’t have an ironclad rule when it comes to cops, but in general, I avoid interacting with them in any way unless there’s violence afoot. I carry a non-lethal weapon so I have a means of defense if something happens to me, but I don’t trust American cops not to shoot people, so it has to be an explosive situation before I’ll engage with them.