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TheAlbatross ,

Bananas would cost more

expatriado ,

no more banana for $10

kambusha ,

There’s always money in the banana stand.

Blizzard ,
Achyu ,

America genociding Gautemala avoided in such a timeline?

LibertyLizard ,

Most likely some other country (or countries) would simply fulfill the same role of projecting their military and economic power onto the rest of the world to maintain their hegemony. We see this in limited ways already with many other countries, though with a few exceptions, they’re careful in how much they conflict with US interests. One of these, likely China, would move into that role and while the details would be different in some ways, many of the overall dynamics would be similar.

Don_Dickle OP ,

Now you got me questioning if China ever got involved in foreign politics and back a coup which was more favorite to them?

LibertyLizard , (edited )

Chinese foreign policy has been fairly cautious and covert compared to other world powers. I think this has generally been a good strategy as it has avoided major conflicts with the US and Europe in recent times.

I can’t think of any coup they’ve directly supported but they certainly have supported military movements and governments in other countries, including Vietnam, North Korea, Myanmar, and Venezuela. So they’ve been a bit less prone to overthrowing governments but they aren’t afraid to use similar tactics to keep friendly regimes in power, and help those factions expand power. So is it a coup to help the North Vietnamese conquer the South? I guess it depends on the definition of coup which can be a fraught word.

Personally I’m not sure I see any of these as coups. The closest might be Myanmar but while China has protected and supported the junta there, it’s not totally clear they actually supported the coup itself. I interpret their actions as seeking stability and wanting to minimize Western influence.

HobbitFoot ,

China’s foreign policy model seems focused on making deals with the existing power no matter what. Part of that seems to be that China does not believe in odious debt like a lot of Western countries do. When settling debts, Chinese institutions have been far more insistent on keeping write-offs from occuring.

China has also generally pushed for more one on one transactional deals with countries. There have been some international institutions made like the AIIB, but I don’t see the institutional creation of systems like the USA tried to do.

LibertyLizard ,

What do you mean by keeping write-offs from occurring?

HobbitFoot ,

A lot of times, the IMF will lead all creditors of a country to restructure, reduce, or reschedule existing debt. What is happening is that Chinese institutions appears to be less willing to write down bad debt, holding up a lot of negotiations between debt holders. So, the debt doesn’t get reduced.

LibertyLizard ,

Is this a bad thing somehow? I would think reducing debts is generally beneficial, especially in times of economic crisis.

bamfic ,

China’s history goes back thousands of years. Scratch even the surface of that and you will find horrors, genocides, brutality, and atrocities.

LibertyLizard ,

I was speaking specifically of regime change efforts by the CCP, but I imagine that would be true of any empire. Yes, China is an empire—the fact that it is one nation doesn’t change the underlying political dynamic of exploitation of subjugated peoples in the periphery by the ruling elite.

Achyu ,

I think the modern American empire is seen as much more dangerous than the modern Chinese one. Especially with how it tries to subjugate people even outside its continent

LibertyLizard ,

In the current moment I would agree. I’m not sure that would be true in comparison to a hypothetical sole superpower China. But who can say for sure.

MotoAsh ,

You might get to see that in Russia with how Putler is screwing things up.

frightful_hobgoblin ,

History doesn’t provide answers to hypotheticals

MotoAsh ,

That’s why they’re asking people and not reading a history book.

GeneralEmergency ,

Well the troubles would have continued. So there that.

trolololol ,

Ooh I think you need to read more about history. For once, CIA wouldn’t need to support drug dealers to finance its operations in Central America. Guess where those drugs were being consumed?

queermunist ,
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Most countries would be socialist.

BaalInvoker ,

Definitely a better place.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

The world would be far more Socialized.

leisesprecher ,

That’s actually the really sad story here.

Every “experimental” regime was either toppled (Chile) or had to align with the USSR (Cuba) to survive. There was never a real attempt at democratic socialist politics without interference from superpowers.

Cowbee ,
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All Socialism is democratic, including Cuba and the USSR. Trying to reform the system along Socialist lines from within the system like Allende is why he sadly failed and was couped by the US Empire.

SubArcticTundra ,
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My relative likes to mention Nicaragua in the 1970s/80s, but I haven’t had the time to read up about it.

superkret ,

There was never a government at all without interference from superpowers.

theshatterstone54 ,

Difficult to say. For starters, we can’t know with certainty the full list of countries that were affected. We don’t know all the ways countries were affected. There’s so much we don’t know that it’s really impossible to say.

Cephalotrocity ,

Those countries would have been taken over by communist regimes due to support from hostile nations… So like Cuba but all over the place.

Ensign_Crab ,

Well, like Cuba without the embargo.

FireTower ,
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Didn’t realize I was on .ml till I saw this

Cephalotrocity ,

You and me both. WTF is rule 1 in this context even?

whenyellowstonehasitsday ,

given that the question doesn't stipulate that the ussr stays out of other countries' politics, probably more red at least until the fall of the ussr, and then who knows?

the question kind of assumes a success of the truman doctrine and an accuracy of the domino theory, which i don't know is correct

i dont think it's likely that the us won the cold war because democratically-backed-capitalism was worse than non-democratically-backed-state-capitalism

Don_Dickle OP ,

I am just wondering if the US stayed Isolated after WW2 and did not intervene in any countries business like over throwing dictators or supporting or starting rebelens and suchwhat would the world look like today? Would they look at the US and see that democracy works or would they go with some other type of governance?

whenyellowstonehasitsday , (edited )

yeah and it would probably be a lot more red since the hypothetical doesn't assume that the ussr stops interfering

but probably not that much more red, because to say that is to assume that the truman doctrine worked, which it probably didn't

and when the ussr inevitably fell any relative gains would probably be lost

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